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[Doug Masters]

I’m happy with this. I predict it passing by 70% then never flying with anyone that voted yes.

 

[tcco94]

No concessions, no give on payback days or unstacking. 31% over 4 years, good work rule improvement, decent pay raise and retro payment. Not sure why people are mad here …

 

[Maurus]

Looks like a damned fine agreement. Congrats, guys!

Just time to wait for the final language. Devil's in the details sometimes.

 

[BobDDuck]

No concessions, no give on payback days or unstacking. 31% over 4 years, good work rule improvement, decent pay raise and retro payment. Not sure why people are mad here …

Because it's not 32% over 4 years.

 

[derg]

My guess based on past practice... 1.) social media will explode with a No vote campaign. 2.) Agreement passes at 73-82% 3.) 2 months later, not one yes voter will admit to it on the line.

Every time.

I always think we're one negotiating cycle away from ALPA "trains" and flags.

"How did this pass? It's impossible! We had flags, boats and hats!"

 

[FL350]

For those of you who are a strong NO already, or friends with those who are, what would you need to be a yes?

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

For those of you who are a strong NO already, or friends with those who are, what would you need to be a yes?

I’m an airline pilot. I want to be paid 500k+ and sit home as long as possible.



-pilot logic

 

[alaskadrifter]

The gamble was who would come out better if the economy tanked in the mean time or if the reason that Delta management finally decided to bring the wheelbarrow to a negotiating session didn't materialize for another year. Same decisions we always have to make.

That and the AS contract lacking critical things like scope.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

I don’t understand the Delta contract but as it was recently explained to me: they get jacked around a lot because of reassignments.

They were shooting for what United has 225% of the original trip plus 5 hours or days off restored.

Apparently they just got 5 hours. Which is I think what we got at AS.


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[BobDDuck]

I don’t understand the Delta contract but as it was recently explained to me: they get jacked around a lot because of reassignments.

They were shooting for what United has 225% of the original trip plus 5 hours or days off restored.

Apparently they just got 5 hours. Which is I think what we got at AS.

The problem is that each contract is different. United has better reassignment language than Delta (it's not a straight 225% though), but they have FSB. We have WAY better reassignment language than United, but our payrates are lower. American has way worse reassignment language than Delta but has some better things elsewhere. CBAs are dynamic.

 

[FL350]

I’m an airline pilot. I want to be paid 500k+ and sit home as long as possible.



-pilot logic

It’s not a bad goal, but obviously not realistic. And trust me I realize how out of touch many pilots are.

 

[Cherokee_Cruiser]

The problem is that each contract is different. United has better reassignment language than Delta (it's not a straight 225% though), but they have FSB. We have WAY better reassignment language than United, but our payrates are lower. American has way worse reassignment language than Delta but has some better things elsewhere. CBAs are dynamic.

They have FSB?


Man the Russians are everywhere.

 

[Jimmy_Norton]

18 hour callout from LCR sounds delightful.

 

[L-16B]

18 hour callout from LCR sounds delightful.

Don’t they assign their LCR short call a lot though?

 

[Maurus]

I don’t understand the Delta contract but as it was recently explained to me: they get jacked around a lot because of reassignments.

They were shooting for what United has 225% of the original trip plus 5 hours or days off restored.

Apparently they just got 5 hours. Which is I think what we got at AS.


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This is the price of good reserve rules. All long call, limited short call, and no airport standby.

 

[Maurus]

Don’t they assign their LCR short call a lot though?

Short call can only be assigned 6-7 times a month depending on average line values for the month. The best way to avoid it is by picking up flying on your reserve days.

 

[BEEF SUPREME]

The gamble was who would come out better if the economy tanked in the mean time or if the reason that Delta management finally decided to bring the wheelbarrow to a negotiating session didn't materialize for another year. Same decisions we always have to make.

I could have just done without the fear based voting on the uneducated’s perception of “the economy”.

It’s worse than taking financial advice from pilots. In this case their poor understanding of the world and most importantly their fear, drives a decision that negatively affects me.


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[tcco94]

the best part of the reserve system by far is the payback days. You can literally work 0 days on call and be paid 140 hours for being gone the same or less than you would have on call.

Happy they didn’t cave on that because if they did I was an automatic no.

 

[bike21]

Short call can only be assigned 6-7 times a month depending on average line values for the month. The best way to avoid it is by picking up flying on your reserve days.

Yep. Typical month for me is 2-3, rarely see many more in my category assigned. 18 hour LC is mo' better for sure. 12 hours can be tight at certain times of day for a lot of commuters, this would make it much more palatable.

Looking forward to seeing more details.

 

[mwflyer]

For those of you who are a strong NO already, or friends with those who are, what would you need to be a yes?

There are a certain segment of guys who are always going to vote no, because ”there was something left on the table.”