New San Diego startup: California Pacific Airlines
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swisspilot
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H46Bubba
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At one time there were three regional flying in and out of CRQ. That was Eagle, Mesa, and SkyWest. I remember when Eagle(Wings West) first started flights from LAX back in 91. United Express(Westair) followed there after. If more service on bigger a/c were offered out of Carlsbad, people would fly more out of CRQ than drive down to SAN. I know I'd rather fly in and out of CRQ than into SAN. The drawback is that Private GA and flight training will be pushed out more and more. Ramona will probably grow as schools and owners move their a/c out of CRQ.
stesta5074
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I <3 Oceanside
Baronman
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*Airline geek alert*
Not quite. The British Airways flight (I think it's BA1) actually stops in Ireland to refuel and while it does so the passengers pass through US customs there.
Kingairer
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I think the biz class is just extra leg room. United has this on all the E170s flying in their colors.
CRJDriver
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It only makes a stop when going westbound (Shannon, Ireland).
Correct, it'll be like Economy Plus on UAL/UAL Express.
Kingairer
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if it only has 66 seats, thatll be mistake #1.
Hell, I remember even before that, when Imperial Airlines was based at CRQ with their EMB-110s and Shorts 360s, flying CRQ to LAX an CRQ to SAN flights. And prior to Imperial, was Golden West Airlines with their Shorts 330s, flying into and out of CRQ.
SoCalAprch
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So how come everyone thinks this is going to be a great idea? 
If by the small chance that they are successful you're going to see every Major going in there with Regional jets and undercutting their little business experiment. Also if people rent cars and drive from CVG to CMH (+1.5 hour drive) just to get a cheaper ticket, what makes you think the likes of Southwest or Delta won't come in and lower prices to make the 35 minute (no traffic) drive to SAN worth it?
Also on a side note, it seems stupid to waste tax payer money on a non-precision approach to the east runway. 99% of the time the wind favors the west runways and the only reason they ever use runway 9 at SAN is if the visibility is screwed up as they don't have an ILS to 27. Perhaps it doesn't cost too much to flip a switch that just turns the localizer around and create a non-precision from that but if this costs a bunch of money it seems like a waste.
Sorry about the Debbie Downer attitude but most start ups without big financial backing haven't done too well lately.
If by the small chance that they are successful you're going to see every Major going in there with Regional jets and undercutting their little business experiment. Also if people rent cars and drive from CVG to CMH (+1.5 hour drive) just to get a cheaper ticket, what makes you think the likes of Southwest or Delta won't come in and lower prices to make the 35 minute (no traffic) drive to SAN worth it?Also on a side note, it seems stupid to waste tax payer money on a non-precision approach to the east runway. 99% of the time the wind favors the west runways and the only reason they ever use runway 9 at SAN is if the visibility is screwed up as they don't have an ILS to 27. Perhaps it doesn't cost too much to flip a switch that just turns the localizer around and create a non-precision from that but if this costs a bunch of money it seems like a waste.
Sorry about the Debbie Downer attitude but most start ups without big financial backing haven't done too well lately.
FrankieFlyCRQ
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Perfectly said!!! :yeahthat:
I work @ CRQ for SkyWest(4 years now), and if this really does happen which it looks promising, people in North county San Diego will pay a little more money if they have to for the convience of a gateway to the world 10 min from their house, 3 dollar a day parking, and no TSA or ticket lines what so ever also to mention 2 free checked bags where all the other airlines charge for just one... very family friendly.! Believe it or not, everyday on an average, we get probably thoughout the day 10 peeps asking if we(United Express/SkyWest) fly direct to LAS, PHX, SFO, SJC... so i'm sure IF THEY MARKET THIS PROPERLY, their shouldn't be any issues other than the industry being down, yet slowly starting to build up again, that CPA can become a sucessfull new airline and YES overall, North county/sandiego has been waiting for this for a long time!
As far as their a/c goes, i heard they are and will need to re configure their a/c so they can get in/out of CRQ, but even if they do, somehow i'm sure they will still get weight restricted, 50 -66 pax, assuming eachone does check two bags/50lbs each, short rw @ 4900 feet, lets say flow delays all over due to bad wx out of socal(CRQ) and alll the way up to norcal, lol it's going to be very interesting how they pull this off!
From what I heard through local talk, CPA is hiring furlough UA pilots ???
Also hiring for rampers, customer service, reservation agents which will also to my understanding be outta CRQ. So whoever is interested, get your apps in ASAP!
**** Not to make CPA look all good, i'm a Skywester 100% all day, but i really do hope CPA take off , i believe it will also help generate more revenue for UA/OO out of CRQ-LAX for us. WE NEED THE BIZ... so EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THE UNITED FLYS OUT OF (CARLSBAD)!!!
p.s. - I highly doubt they will extend the rw at CRQ. The county would love to, but they only have a 1,000 to add on if they did, and OO RJ's would be the last plane to ever fly in there... OO bro's probably as long as we are open.
Off the record - (the happy hr at the new restaurant/bar is AWESOME!)
I work @ CRQ for SkyWest(4 years now), and if this really does happen which it looks promising, people in North county San Diego will pay a little more money if they have to for the convience of a gateway to the world 10 min from their house, 3 dollar a day parking, and no TSA or ticket lines what so ever also to mention 2 free checked bags where all the other airlines charge for just one... very family friendly.! Believe it or not, everyday on an average, we get probably thoughout the day 10 peeps asking if we(United Express/SkyWest) fly direct to LAS, PHX, SFO, SJC... so i'm sure IF THEY MARKET THIS PROPERLY, their shouldn't be any issues other than the industry being down, yet slowly starting to build up again, that CPA can become a sucessfull new airline and YES overall, North county/sandiego has been waiting for this for a long time!
As far as their a/c goes, i heard they are and will need to re configure their a/c so they can get in/out of CRQ, but even if they do, somehow i'm sure they will still get weight restricted, 50 -66 pax, assuming eachone does check two bags/50lbs each, short rw @ 4900 feet, lets say flow delays all over due to bad wx out of socal(CRQ) and alll the way up to norcal, lol it's going to be very interesting how they pull this off!
From what I heard through local talk, CPA is hiring furlough UA pilots ???
Also hiring for rampers, customer service, reservation agents which will also to my understanding be outta CRQ. So whoever is interested, get your apps in ASAP!
**** Not to make CPA look all good, i'm a Skywester 100% all day, but i really do hope CPA take off , i believe it will also help generate more revenue for UA/OO out of CRQ-LAX for us. WE NEED THE BIZ... so EVERYONE SPREAD THE WORD THE UNITED FLYS OUT OF (CARLSBAD)!!!
p.s. - I highly doubt they will extend the rw at CRQ. The county would love to, but they only have a 1,000 to add on if they did, and OO RJ's would be the last plane to ever fly in there... OO bro's probably as long as we are open.
Off the record - (the happy hr at the new restaurant/bar is AWESOME!)
SoCalAprch
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I realize that North Country has some serious money, especially the beach cities from Carlsbad down to La Jolla and obviously Rancho that lies inland a little bit. And I do think it could work but Im just a bit skeptical. I just don't know or think that they will have the loads, except for maybe Phoenix and Vegas, to keep those flights full and profitable on a day to day basis. Especially if and when the other airlines start getting aggressive. Don't think the likes of Southwest, DAL, and especially UAL operating out of CRQ will let them just come in and start poaching passengers. UAL operates in and out of there and I believe DAL did at some point in the past and they never saw the need to put anything bigger than a SKYW Brasilia in there. Don't you think that if these Bros were going out full and making them tons of cash that they would have added more seats to the market? How, with all the failed experiments at CRQ, does this one all of a sudden make perfect sense to everyone.
My in-laws live in Del Mar and we have some close friends that live in Carlsbad that travel all the time and Im sure they will be excited about it, now whether they ever need to goto any of these destinations and if they do are they willing to pay a premium to save some time will be what makes or breaks it IMHO.
SoCalAprch
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If it were a gateway to even the United States it would make a lot more sense but right now their concept is a gateway to NorCal, Arizona, Vegas, and Cabo. All of which can be gotten too on SkyWest (granted with a stopover in LA).
FrankieFlyCRQ
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I guess for better wording, when I say "gateway to the world", I'm also including UA. So basicially between UA/UAX and CPAIR, your options out of CRQ will definitely increase compared to what it has been. To be honest, I will be very surprised if CPA does become succesfull, but I also believe if again they market properly, all SHOULD work out, it least for a little while. We shall see......
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Corporate Pilot
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I got this from NBAA yesterday. No mention of lengthening the runway.
All,
The runway at McClellan-Palomar Airport (CRQ) needs to be renovated. Ground testing has determined the potential for failure of the supporting soils and pavement surface, which could lead to catastrophic failure of the runway. The last resurfacing of the airport runway was a two-inch layer of asphalt done about 15 years ago. County Airports plan on doing the 5,000-foot runway in five phases of 1,000 feet each. The airport would close for construction of one phase, reopen for one week, and then close for another phase of runway renovation to avoid an extended closure of runway operations. The contractor will grind and remove portions of the existing asphalt concrete runway. Twelve inches of soil under the runway will be treated with cement for added strength. The original asphalt runway grindings will be processed on-site and recycled into a new six-inch layer placed on top of the cement-treated soil. Then, a five-inch layer of asphalt will be placed on top of that, resulting in a new runway 23 inches thick. Projected life span of the new runway is 20 years.
SCHEDULED DATES/TIME: Phase 1: April 25 at 23:30L to May 2, 12:30L
Phase 2: May 9 at 23:30L to May 16, 12:30L
Phase 3: May 23 at 23:30L to May 30, 12:30L
Phase 4: June 6 at 23:30L to June 13, 12:30L
Phase 5: June 20 at 23:30L to June 27, 12:30L
Phase 6: June 27 to August 13, nightly runway closures
(23:30L to 6:00L)
(the runway may open sooner, if construction of that phase is
complete)
OPERATIONAL IMPACT: The runway will not be available for use during the above mentioned phases. The RVR, PAPI’s, and REIL’s will also not be available, due to the proximity of the construction.
To help offset this inconvenience and loss of revenue for airport lease holders, County Airports is granting free aircraft parking at its other airports including Gillespie Field, Ramona Airport, and Fallbrook Airpark. The County Board of Supervisors has also approved a two-month rent moratorium during the construction period.
All,
The runway at McClellan-Palomar Airport (CRQ) needs to be renovated. Ground testing has determined the potential for failure of the supporting soils and pavement surface, which could lead to catastrophic failure of the runway. The last resurfacing of the airport runway was a two-inch layer of asphalt done about 15 years ago. County Airports plan on doing the 5,000-foot runway in five phases of 1,000 feet each. The airport would close for construction of one phase, reopen for one week, and then close for another phase of runway renovation to avoid an extended closure of runway operations. The contractor will grind and remove portions of the existing asphalt concrete runway. Twelve inches of soil under the runway will be treated with cement for added strength. The original asphalt runway grindings will be processed on-site and recycled into a new six-inch layer placed on top of the cement-treated soil. Then, a five-inch layer of asphalt will be placed on top of that, resulting in a new runway 23 inches thick. Projected life span of the new runway is 20 years.
SCHEDULED DATES/TIME: Phase 1: April 25 at 23:30L to May 2, 12:30L
Phase 2: May 9 at 23:30L to May 16, 12:30L
Phase 3: May 23 at 23:30L to May 30, 12:30L
Phase 4: June 6 at 23:30L to June 13, 12:30L
Phase 5: June 20 at 23:30L to June 27, 12:30L
Phase 6: June 27 to August 13, nightly runway closures
(23:30L to 6:00L)
(the runway may open sooner, if construction of that phase is
complete)
OPERATIONAL IMPACT: The runway will not be available for use during the above mentioned phases. The RVR, PAPI’s, and REIL’s will also not be available, due to the proximity of the construction.
To help offset this inconvenience and loss of revenue for airport lease holders, County Airports is granting free aircraft parking at its other airports including Gillespie Field, Ramona Airport, and Fallbrook Airpark. The County Board of Supervisors has also approved a two-month rent moratorium during the construction period.
anthrfrlodguy
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Anyone got the info on the requirements they're looking for. I've already sent my stuff in. Would be nice to move back home. I'm tired of the east coast!!!!!!!!:insane:
CRJDriver
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I don't even think the company knows yet what the requirements will be, but they have been getting swamped with resumes already. They don't even have gov't approval or airplanes, yet.