New GI Bill and Flight Training

Had my first training event at ATP this morning! Did 1.5 in the Multi sim...wow, I'm rusty and was well behind the sim for the first 30 minutes. I think I'll be all right once I get the flows memorized...that seemed to frustrate me the most.
 
Ozzie would be the best to answer that but that is a higher cap than ERAU's and I was told you would get your housing without a problem at Riddle. All you have to pay there is the flight costs

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I've never heard anything about the BAH going toward your cap. I would believe that the BAH and book fees would be a separate fund, above and beyond your college funding. Am I missing some info?
 
Yes, BAH is separate. My concern is that for zero hours to commercial pilot runs somewhere around $100,000. So that would mean it would take me 4 years to complete if only $25k was paid per academic year. But it can be done in 16 months, which is what I would like to do. So I am not sure how it would pan out. I already have the degrees, just want the flight training through an IHL.
 
vaheyboats said:
Yes, BAH is separate. My concern is that for zero hours to commercial pilot runs somewhere around $100,000. So that would mean it would take me 4 years to complete if only $25k was paid per academic year. But it can be done in 16 months, which is what I would like to do. So I am not sure how it would pan out. I already have the degrees, just want the flight training through an IHL.
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Well, the caveat is that you have to do it through an IHL in conjunction with an approved degree program. So, you're going to have other degree requirements that the school will want you to complete, even coming into it with another BS.

I plan on completing a BS in Aviation Maintenance Management with ERAU in the next year. When I go to enroll with Oklahoma, after retirement, I'm hoping they'll give me credit for the core classes. I'll still have to take courses to meet their degree and residency requirements to be able to complete their pilot degree program.
 
MercFE said:
Well, the caveat is that you have to do it through an IHL in conjunction with an approved degree program. So, you're going to have other degree requirements that the school will want you to complete, even coming into it with another BS.
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This !!! Cap applies towards tuition and fees however I'm not totally sure flight costs are included in that cap. My Vet center assured me that all flight costs are covered.


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Ruh Roh folks!!! Just got an email saying that MSU's accreditation has been yanked by the HLC. It did not include info stating what is going to happen to current or future enrollments...just a heads up...Just when I was getting started too!
 
I'm going through ACAP classes right now and saw something in the VA benefits booklet that triggered a question ...

Per academic year, pays the actual net costs for in state tuition and fees assessed by the school or $10000 whichever is less. This limit is applicable to flight programs at both IHLs and non-IHLs.

So they will only pay your tuition fees and only 10K for flight ... What if it costs more than 10K?

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ozziecat35 said:
Ruh Roh folks!!! Just got an email saying that MSU's accreditation has been yanked by the HLC. It did not include info stating what is going to happen to current or future enrollments...just a heads up...Just when I was getting started too!
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Time to engage the fall back plan. At least you didn't use most of your benefits and this happened. Can you switch to other IHLs?


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Bushmaster78FS said:
I'm going through ACAP classes right now and saw something in the VA benefits booklet that triggered a question ...

Per academic year, pays the actual net costs for in state tuition and fees assessed by the school or $10000 whichever is less. This limit is applicable to flight programs at both IHLs and non-IHLs.

So they will only pay your tuition fees and only 10K for flight ... What if it costs more than 10K?

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That's if you're persuing flight training at a FBO. You'll be limited to $10,000 per year.

If you're attending a degree program, at a public school, you'll receive up to in-state limits. This will include all flight fees under the cap. If the school participates in Yellow Ribbon, you'll be covered for everything.

If you're attending a private university, you're capped at $17,500.

http://www.gibill.va.gov/resources/education_resources/programs/flight_training.html
 
Chicago land, yes, moving is out of the questions (full time job that is awesome and a family.)
 
By Sarah Plummer
Register-Herald Reporter
BECKLEY — The Higher Learning Commission, Mountain State University’s general accreditation body, announced today that it has decided to withdraw the school’s accreditation effective Aug. 27.

According to the commission’s public disclosure notice, Mountain State has the option to appeal the Board of Trustees of the Higher Learning Commission’s decision.

Dr. Richard Sours, interim president for the university, said they plant to submit an intent to appeal within the 14 days allotted by the commission and the full appeal must be submitted 14 days after that.

If in independent appeals panel upholds the board’s decision, the withdrawal becomes final.

The commission decided Mountain State University had not met the requirements of the June 23, 2011, Show-Cause Order.

The commission found the university also did not meet three areas of the criteria for accreditation, showing lack of integrity, resources and administrative leadership.

The public disclosure notice states, “The board concluded that the university has not conducted itself with the integrity expected of an accredited institution with regard to ensuring that its students have accurate and timely information about the status of their academic programs and consistent quality across all academic programs.”

Later on, the commission elaborated by stating the school has focused on high enrollment and has only focused on improving program quality and oversight within the past year.

The public notice notes that the National Center for Education Statistics currently reports the university as having a graduation rate of 8 percent.

The commission noted that the university has started initiatives to improve these rates, but it has not been able to demonstrate the initiatives are improving retention and graduation rates.

And while the school is in the process of creating a new mission statement, the school had been unable to articulate the mission at the commission’s show-cause visit to the Beckley campus in February, said the commission.

The notice goes on to state that the school does not have the resources expected of an accredited institution, has not demonstrated a plan to overcome its institutional challenges, lacks effective governance and administrative leadership to ensure quality academics and does not have adequate learning support and faculty oversight.

Problems with leadership extend from “a long history of control of the university by a small group of administrators including and surrounding the former president,” Dr. Charles Polk.

The commission also noted that many administrators lack credentials and previous employment experience consistent with their job titles and responsibilities.

Furthermore, the public notice indicates the commission found Mountain State was not in compliance with the criteria for accreditation when the show-cause team visited the campus in February.

“Although the university’s Board of Trustees fired the former president and has recently worked to improve its oversight of the university and its own systems of evaluation, these systems are not sufficiently established to demonstrate ongoing effectiveness and the visiting (show-cause evaluation) team found in interviews with faculty, staff and students ... efforts to improve leadership and shared governance were in early stages,” the notice reads.

Moreover, the commission said it had been informed by the Allied Health Education Programs that Mountain State’s diagnostic medical sonography program has been placed on probation.

During the June 28 Higher Learning Commission board meeting, the board reportedly reviewed the show-cause team’s findings, the transcript of the school’s May 7 question and answer session with the commission in Chicago, and other materials.

The Higher Learning Commission first granted Mountain State accreditation in 1981 and granted a continuation after an evaluation in 2007, but problems within the School of Nursing raised an alarm three years later.

The commission stated it was notified of problems at the school by the National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission in 2010 when the national accrediting body pulled accreditation for the bachelor’s degree in nursing for low pass rates on licensure exams and too few credentialed faculty.

Mountain State University unsuccessfully appealed this action.

The nursing program took another blow when the West Virginia Board of Examiners for Registered Professional Nurses revoked the state accreditation for the same program last February.

The Higher Learning Commission also took into consideration that the school has never been able to provide a consistent head count of nursing students or “provide certain credit-hour calculations” and the fact that the school remains on a provisional status with the U.S. Department of Education for not demonstrating its ability to monitor students academic progress to satisfy federal Satisfactory Academic Progress requirements.

Mountain State University will be required to submit a teach-out plan to the Higher Learning Commission for students who will finish their degree within the next year and want to continue at an accredited institution.

The school must file a teach-out plan with the commission by July 23 and students must be notified of their options by July 31.
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Maybe if the school works to get it back, you might be able to continue. You have important reasons to stay where you have to stay, especially if you have a good job. I hope it works out man!
 
Bushmaster78FS said:
Maybe if the school works to get it back, you might be able to continue. You have important reasons to stay where you have to stay, especially if you have a good job. I hope it works out man!
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That's the hope, I talked with the Director of the Aviation program a few minutes ago and everyone is shocked at this. When the HLC team was there a few months ago, they all commented that MSU was doing well in their efforts to meet the show cause order.

As for how it affects me, I need to fly as much as I can while they remain accredited. Unfortunately for any JC'ers looking at this for an option, they are not accepting new students.
 
I guess thats why my MSU rep hasnt responded in a few days. Now Ive got no local options, and I cant move either -
 
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