I had to go back and look again, thx again Matt--like i said I've been working this thing like a MAD MAN, hard to keep up with ALL the INFO I have received and found. I've posted the schools you gave me below--to share with others. I'm thinking he is wanting to stick with ERAU (Ouchhh on the Pocket Book) we shall see.......... Perdue OSU UND Auburn
New GI Bill and Flight Training
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I had to go back and look again, thx again Matt--like i said I've been working this thing like a MAD MAN, hard to keep up with ALL the INFO I have received and found. I've posted the schools you gave me below--to share with others. I'm thinking he is wanting to stick with ERAU (Ouchhh on the Pocket Book) we shall see.......... Perdue OSU UND Auburn
jazzcornet
New Member
Perhaps one of you educated fellows can help me out...
I have read all eight pages of this thread in their entirety and am extremely intrigued. I am a veteran and drilling reservist currently using ch33 benefits. I already have my bachelor's degree, student solo licence, and completed the FAA written for private.
As I understand it, only public schools are 100% covered under ch33; private schools are only covered to $10k/semester.
I looked into Hampton University (I live in tidewater, Virginia) and they are a private school. I haven't contacted them concerning VA benefits or admissions or anything, but I assumed i would be wasting my time taking that route.
Are there any other organizations -- degree granting or not -- in Virginia to which ch33 benefits will cover everything?
I had intentions on persuing my Masters degree in August (still have 27 months left of bennies) but if I can go to flight school and get up to CFII-MEL I would be ecstatic.
Also, I have the ability to relocate to Denver, Colorado. The two schools in denver that were mentioned in this thread, are they ch33 friendly and 100% covered as well?
Thanks in advance for your expertice
I have read all eight pages of this thread in their entirety and am extremely intrigued. I am a veteran and drilling reservist currently using ch33 benefits. I already have my bachelor's degree, student solo licence, and completed the FAA written for private.
As I understand it, only public schools are 100% covered under ch33; private schools are only covered to $10k/semester.
I looked into Hampton University (I live in tidewater, Virginia) and they are a private school. I haven't contacted them concerning VA benefits or admissions or anything, but I assumed i would be wasting my time taking that route.
Are there any other organizations -- degree granting or not -- in Virginia to which ch33 benefits will cover everything?
I had intentions on persuing my Masters degree in August (still have 27 months left of bennies) but if I can go to flight school and get up to CFII-MEL I would be ecstatic.
Also, I have the ability to relocate to Denver, Colorado. The two schools in denver that were mentioned in this thread, are they ch33 friendly and 100% covered as well?
Thanks in advance for your expertice
GreenTea01
New Member
Under a state college part 61 the chapter 33 reads that it will pay up to the maximum rate for that state for a degree from a ihl.
Example state xyz is near 50,000.00 per semester. Would a school limit the students flight time and plane type? Ie log time in a ME verse old c172. My current state doesn't have such high rates and I would be limited due to theamount avaible.
Has any veterans started a program with PP and IR Already achieved then fasttracked as many hours as they could log in a college program. Maximizing the states high amounts per semester? It would be wasteful to only fly a few hours per semester when those hours could be logged quickly.
I ask for two reasons: I only have 12months remaining. Since the amount remaing is in months and not dollars it would he wise for me to pick a state that had higher max semester rates and a school that would let me fly and build hours to go from IR to Commerical in as few semesters as possible. In my case even if I have to pay for the classes after I use up 12 months remaing chapter 33 to finish my degree that would be ok, since I gained so much flight time.
Trying to squeeze out all I can from quoting work and attending school full time with only 12months remaining. I already have a AS degree and could finish my instrument rating before starting.
Example state xyz is near 50,000.00 per semester. Would a school limit the students flight time and plane type? Ie log time in a ME verse old c172. My current state doesn't have such high rates and I would be limited due to theamount avaible.
Has any veterans started a program with PP and IR Already achieved then fasttracked as many hours as they could log in a college program. Maximizing the states high amounts per semester? It would be wasteful to only fly a few hours per semester when those hours could be logged quickly.
I ask for two reasons: I only have 12months remaining. Since the amount remaing is in months and not dollars it would he wise for me to pick a state that had higher max semester rates and a school that would let me fly and build hours to go from IR to Commerical in as few semesters as possible. In my case even if I have to pay for the classes after I use up 12 months remaing chapter 33 to finish my degree that would be ok, since I gained so much flight time.
Trying to squeeze out all I can from quoting work and attending school full time with only 12months remaining. I already have a AS degree and could finish my instrument rating before starting.
GreenTea01
New Member
I believe the FAA has a list of college degree programs catorgized by state. Try the FAA website. But I bet your better off in Colorado or Fla due to the higher rates covered.
jazzcornet
New Member
just an update for you guys. I have enrolled in AIMS community college in Greely, CO. They offer a degree program which includes all the flight time as part of tuition. At the conclusion of the degree program (tracked for 21 months, though I will likely finish in 13), The student will be a CFI-I. Depending on the electives you choose, you can opt for a MEL, mountain/bush endorsement, or even an ATP rating with a CRJ900 type rating.
I want to say thank you to all the predecessors out there who have done so much leg work in finding schools and and figuring out the logistics. This transition for me was seemless and very smooth.
I want to say thank you to all the predecessors out there who have done so much leg work in finding schools and and figuring out the logistics. This transition for me was seemless and very smooth.
Confl1ct10n
New Member
Hey,
With the new G.I. Bill you have to have a PPL right? what if the PPL is included in the tuition, is it still required?
With the new G.I. Bill you have to have a PPL right? what if the PPL is included in the tuition, is it still required?
Sorry. This is a bit confusing, but for an approved 141 FBO it's capped at $10,000/year + BAH... Correct?
Tried to call... Apparently, they were "unable to complete my call" at the time.
Looked online and found this: http://www.gibill.va.gov/resources/education_resources/programs/flight_training.html
So, ATP offers a degree program through MSU in my area but that degree is by correspondence. I wonder how that would work...?
Yeah, I think this would apply:
Here's the thing, though: this course is both an online course and an on campus course. ATP runs the flight school and MSU runs the academic portion. So, not 100% of my coursework will be online. That might mean that I could get the housing stipend. Not sure...
Okay, so I've done a little legwork on this by calling MSU, ATP and the VA, so here is an update:
For those of you in my situation (living in L.A. area with few aviation degree program options locally), this MSU/ATP program might work but there are a few "what ifs" still out there. MSU is a VA authorized university, so no problem there. ATP seems to have no idea how this is going to work, so don't bother calling them yet. ATP seems to be confused about how they are going to paid from MSU, since the aviation instruction is operated by their flight schools but the VA would only pay Mountain State. Also, unless the VA is somehow convinced that your "on site" education is being performed at the ATP zip code, you are going to get stuck with West Virginia BAH, which is $813 per month. Long Beach (where I would plan on doing my flight training) would be $2175. Big difference....
I've got a call into the Veteran services department at Mountain State. I'll let you all know what they say when I hear back...
This is my first post on this board. I am an active duty Navy Chief stationed in Guam. I have been in for 15 years, and am trying to set myself up for another career after retirement in 5 years. A month and a half ago, I started my PPL at an FBO here on the island. Everywhere I checked, I was told I had to have my PPL in order to receive any benefits for flight training. After much searching for funding options, I just took out a loan for the training. I'm currently preparing for my check ride, so i am trying to set myself for my instrument rating next. The schools here are not VArecognized. What are my options? Anyone have any idea what the FBOs have to do to get recognized? I've read every page of this thread, and am gathering that there is a 10000 dollar cap on this training. Is this correct? Any chance of me re-couping any of the money I have already spent?Thanks in advance for any info
subpilot
Squawking 7600
I will try to help you out with what I know (or at least what I think I know, lol). If you are going the FBO route then it is true that your private is not covered. There is no way to recoupe that cost later either. As for everything after private, the VA will give you $10k for every year of benefits. I don't know if you have a limit of only $10k per year or if the rate of deduction is 1 year for every $10k used. Do you see the difference there? In order for a school to become VA approved they must first become part141 approved through the FAA, then they can apply with the VA. I have heard that the VA likes to see a program established as a 141 school at least two years before they will certify but i'm not sure if that is a steadfast rule everywhere. So if Guam has no aviation degree program offered through a college and no VA approved flight schools then you are most likely going to have to pay for it all out of pocket or wait until you transfer back to the states. There is no chance that you could be refunded for your training later. You have to go into the training already approved by the VA if they are going to pay. I know it is a crap sandwich but what I would recommend is finishing your private and just enjoy using it for the duration of your time in Guam and wait until you return to the states to start the next phase of your training. IMO, Guam would suck for instrument and commercial anyway due to nowhere to really go and not being exposed to the National Airspace System. You still have 5 more years anyway so there is no rush. Anyway, that is just some advice from one Chief to another. Take care brother and enjoy your flying!
The best bang for your buck is to goto an public IHL with a flight program that has a high instate max tuition. Reason being, you get a degree, your ratings AND BAH. Cashing in what could be a 150k+ education for 40k at an FBO just isnt worth it. Besides, the BAH you would get in 1 year alone is more than the money they give you for an entire year of benefits.
Taking the FBO route just isn't worth it unless you have enough ratings and/or a degree and you just need a boost into your commercial/CFI training.
Helodriver27
Well-Known Member
x2!! IMO, it would be a waste of earned benefits to simply go the FBO route. Even if you already have a degree, utilize a public college/university program and get yourself all of the way through the program at a rate that will actually be beneficial to you. Making your initial training drag on for 4 years+ would be fruitless if you intend on making this a "post-primary/initial" career.
As mentioned above, (and ABOVE)...with the new GI Bill 2.0, there is no longer a cap at public IHL's. You've earned it...and you should be getting all that you can out of the benefit. Good luck...
Helodriver27
Well-Known Member
If anybody has any specific questions, please ask away. I've discussed almost every single scenario with the VA and am pretty well versed with all changes new and old, regardless of whether you are current private IHL, public IHL, brand new and looking to use benefits, etc. I will help in any way that I can...
FightingFalconInstructor
New Member
A school must be Part 141 to be VA, but not all Part 141 are VA approved. A school that initially gets 141 approval is a "Provisional" school for 2 years. If they meet certain requirements, they can after 2 years apply for renewal as a full school. The VA cannot approve "Provisional" schools for veterans benefits. About the Private, if the Private course is part of a credit hour course at a IHL, you can get paid for it. The FBO cap is $10,000 per academic year, 1 Aug to 31 Jul. so you could spend $10K May-Jul, then another $10K Aug to Jul, for $20K in a calender year. I think it depends on how fast you want to get to work and make money vs can you afford to pay the bills if you go to a 2 year school and get a degree and flight training. If you have been in a while, you probably already have a degree. If you look at Pinnacle Airlines pilot requirements on their web page, all you need is a high school diploma. I think it makes sense for alot of folks to go to a CC and get the living stipend and have spouse work to pay the bills. Every case is very different. Just some thoughts