New Citation Mustang

(Grand Forks, North Dakota): UND Aerospace is pleased to announce the delivery of a Citation Mustang from Cessna Aircraft Company, a Textron Inc. (NYSE: TXT) company. The delivery of the Citation Mustang marks another milestone occasion during the 40th Anniversary celebration of the Odegard School. The Citation Mustang will be on display Wednesday, April 2 at 3:30 pm - 4:30 pm in the Center Hangar at the UND Aerospace operated state-of-the-art training complex at the Grand Forks International Airport. This delivery makes the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences the first collegiate flight program to have a Citation Mustang in its fleet. This entry level Citation jet will be used for executive travel as well as flight training for undergraduate and contract students within the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences.

Along with the display of the Citation Mustang, there will be a Cessna 150 aircraft. This aircraft is one of the original airplanes used to start the UND aviation program. The Cessna 150 has been completely refurbished to its original specifications upon delivery to UND in 1968.

Were excited to have the Mustang join our fleet of more than 120 aircraft, said Bruce A. Smith, dean of the Odegard School. We have anticipated the arrival for quite some time. We know the Mustang will be a great recruiting tool for the School, an amazing opportunity for our students as they transition from pistons and turboprops to flying jets, and a tremendous asset to the entire UND community.

The Mustang became the first of a new category of entry-level jets to achieve full certification from the Federal Aviation Administration (September 2006) and the European Aviation Safety Agency (May 2007). Twenty-seven have been delivered after assembly at Cessnas facility in Independence, Kansas, where a total of 44 Mustangs are scheduled to be delivered by years end. By 2009, production is expected to reach 150 per year.
 
ARG wtf. a recruiting tool?

HEY SJS KIDS CHECK OUT THIS NEATO AIRPLANE U *wont GET TO FLY HERE!!!

makes me all kinds of angry.
 
av8or91 said:
I was told today that it was going to mainly be used for corporate travel and then maybe it will be used as an "advanced trainer". I wonder how much complaining about flying commercial airlines had to be done before someone decided to get this thing.
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This isn't the first aircraft UND has bought for this kind of use... I recall they've owned and used a Baron, a Cheyenne, and a Citation in the past. Although I believe the Citation was mostly used for ice testing/certification and research.

And not all executive travel is done with these aircraft - I've run into Kupchella on NWA before...
 
Love the part that says "for our students as they transition from pistons and turboprops to flying jets". Anyone flown a turboprop yet? (Air China students do not respond):sarcasm:
 
yup, bet i'll see a giant full color picture of the mustang on the cover of the next und aerospace packet they send to me lol
 
CAFFEINE said:
This isn't the first aircraft UND has bought for this kind of use... I recall they've owned and used a Baron, a Cheyenne, and a Citation in the past. Although I believe the Citation was mostly used for ice testing/certification and research.

And not all executive travel is done with these aircraft - I've run into Kupchella on NWA before...
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wait i thought we werent ever supposed to complain about things at UND aerospace, but here you're saying its ok to complain....and get a personal jet?

NICE!
 
TXaviator said:
wait i thought we werent ever supposed to complain about things at UND aerospace, but here you're saying its ok to complain....and get a personal jet?

NICE!
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I don't see anywhere in my post where I said or implied that it's ok to complain, I was only pointing out that this isn't some kind of new development for UND Aerospace to have an aircraft for this purpose.
 
CAFFEINE said:
This isn't the first aircraft UND has bought for this kind of use... I recall they've owned and used a Baron, a Cheyenne, and a Citation in the past. Although I believe the Citation was mostly used for ice testing/certification and research.

And not all executive travel is done with these aircraft - I've run into Kupchella on NWA before...
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Funny.... when I worked at NWA the only time I ever saw Kupchella was when his ticket said Montego Bay or Cancun and he was travelling with the wife.... tickets almost always in excess of 2k for each First Class seat.... a common result from buying your tickets the night before and might I add that I never saw any other UND staff get the same treatment including Dean Smith.... I won't even begin to guess who paid for the Kuppie's tix..... thank you for all of the highly valuable student fees and other useless charges UND...
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Funny.... when I worked at NWA the only time I ever saw Kupchella was when his ticket said Montego Bay or Cancun and he was travelling with the wife.... tickets almost always in excess of 2k for each First Class seat.... a common result from buying your tickets the night before and might I add that I never saw any other UND staff get the same treatment including Dean Smith.... I won't even begin to guess who paid for the Kuppie's tix..... thank you for all of the highly valuable student fees and other useless charges UND...
RANT OVER
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Get over it...no different than the CEO of a corporation flying first class or taking the company jet.

More over I'm sure Kupp Cake's travel expenses are FAR less than his counter parts at other state schools.


In other news I flew in the back of a Mustang today for a local training flight with a client who just bought one. I must say that is a badass airplane. Can't wait to get a few hours in it.
 
CAFFEINE said:
I don't see anywhere in my post where I said or implied that it's ok to complain, I was only pointing out that this isn't some kind of new development for UND Aerospace to have an aircraft for this purpose.
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pardon me. it looks like av8or91 was the one that made the original "i wonder how much complaining had to be done" comment.....
 
Mtts422 said:
Get over it...no different than the CEO of a corporation flying first class or taking the company jet.

More over I'm sure Kupp Cake's travel expenses are FAR less than his counter parts at other state schools.


In other news I flew in the back of a Mustang today for a local training flight with a client who just bought one. I must say that is a badass airplane. Can't wait to get a few hours in it.
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My problem is IF Kupp uses NWA to get to his "official" meetings are they all located in well known vacation spots or does he really use UND's "aero transportation services" and if that is the case who paid for the freaking jet? I don't see the school of nursing having to rent ridiculous laptops for an astronomical fee.... do you?
You referred to Kupp's travel being the equivilant of a CEO's for any corporation and that is all well and fine but I paid the school to educate me not to support their habit for buying stupid crap... like the Cirrus... great aircraft but a horrible trainer in my opinion.... and don't get me started on UND "needing" glass cockpits or the Chinese students...
This trend of stupidity must end. I hope with the arrival of this C150 maybe they will wise up and start teaching people how to flying again.... because you know UND kids have to get into a jet immediately!:sarcasm::banghead:
 
belliott said:
My problem is IF Kupp uses NWA to get to his "official" meetings are they all located in well known vacation spots or does he really use UND's "aero transportation services" and if that is the case who paid for the freaking jet? I don't see the school of nursing having to rent ridiculous laptops for an astronomical fee.... do you?
You referred to Kupp's travel being the equivilant of a CEO's for any corporation and that is all well and fine but I paid the school to educate me not to support their habit for buying stupid crap... like the Cirrus... great aircraft but a horrible trainer in my opinion.... and don't get me started on UND "needing" glass cockpits or the Chinese students...
This trend of stupidity must end. I hope with the arrival of this C150 maybe they will wise up and start teaching people how to flying again.... because you know UND kids have to get into a jet immediately!:sarcasm::banghead:
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Not to change the subject, but it's not UND needing glass, it's that you can't buy brand new pipers with analog gauges anymore. Not warriors and seminoles at least.
 
belliott said:
My problem is IF Kupp uses NWA to get to his "official" meetings are they all located in well known vacation spots or does he really use UND's "aero transportation services" and if that is the case who paid for the freaking jet? I don't see the school of nursing having to rent ridiculous laptops for an astronomical fee.... do you?
You referred to Kupp's travel being the equivilant of a CEO's for any corporation and that is all well and fine but I paid the school to educate me not to support their habit for buying stupid crap... like the Cirrus... great aircraft but a horrible trainer in my opinion.... and don't get me started on UND "needing" glass cockpits or the Chinese students...
This trend of stupidity must end. I hope with the arrival of this C150 maybe they will wise up and start teaching people how to flying again.... because you know UND kids have to get into a jet immediately!:sarcasm::banghead:
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I was embarrassed that UND didn't have a nice turbo prop or jet for executive travel. UND is one of the biggest aviation programs in the nation and fairly large DII school soon to be DI.

Seriously, several schools have airplane for executive travel. It's about time we have one too.

And to NJ Capt, it is waiting RVSM approval. I've flown a several Cessna Jets that had to wait multiple months for this approval. Mostly due to the FSDOs lack of doing, well anything, in a timely manner.
 
UAL747400 said:
Not to change the subject, but it's not UND needing glass, it's that you can't buy brand new pipers with analog gauges anymore. Not warriors and seminoles at least.
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When I started UND it was their selling point for prospective students.... I personally know a gentlemen who recieved his Warrior from the factory a month and a half ago that was all analog.... just a little more pricey as it is not the "norm" nowadays.

I am not disappointed or angry that UND does not have executive transport.... not at all... in fact the Cheyenne that they did away with was quite nice in my opinion.... I guess just not nice enough. I am simply trying to address that it is my belief that the aviation program at UND shoulders a lot of financial burden ie. Citation Mustang... now I wouldn't be agitated if I thought that all of the students at UND shared in the expense but I kinda doubt that is the case. The reason the aviation kids shoulder this burden is because of the misconception that if you are willing to drop close to 100K for an education another 10K isn't that big of a deal. I am angered that UND employees could or would not tell me what my "student fees" were actually paying for nor the "MISC. fees" that appeared on my tuition bill. I am cynical of what they say and how they think because the past few years have been really good for UND financially speaking.... now they are faced with an economic low and I hardly see how a new aircraft purchase can be justified.
 
The situation is probably more complex than I know, as I'm not looking at the balance sheets for UND or UND Aerospace. But for them to coin the Citation, an aircraft that at least 90% of us will never ever fly here, as a "recruiting tool" is just a poor excuse for a lack of creativity in the marketing area of things.

I mean, really. There are better ways to spin off an otherwise great program on prospective students than publishing shiny brochures with pictures of a jet they won't fly or showing off this jet they won't fly on tours, etc.
 
Ok, so here's a wrap up. The Mustang is $1200/hr to rent, inter-university only, no charters. There are 6 people who are authorized to fly it. Only 1 at the moment as single pilot ops. You are free to rent it if you are within the university, and with programs like the law, nursing, and the new energy center, there will be some people renting it.

As far as Air China, there has been a little talk, but not much. At this point if they want to train in it, great, if not, oh well.

As for the 150, it's back and shiny, but very small. The rumor is that it's useful load is less than that of the decathalons. The reason we brought the 150 back was for a bigger useful load to do spins at a higher weight. Not sure, but that might be an issue at the moment. The decathalons need a lot of maintenance though, so the 150 will probably still be used quite a bit.

As far as jet transition training, that will probably be done in the D-jet. I remember getting 7 hrs in the Baron during 325. It was a lot more, but also a lot more fun. You can't use a jet for the whole training without selling a leg or something, but small portions can be a big help.

Hope this helps clear a few things out, but if nothing else... that Mustang is very shiny.... :rawk:
 
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