New Citation Mustang

ProudPilot said:
As for the 150, it's back and shiny, but very small. The rumor is that it's useful load is less than that of the decathalons. The reason we brought the 150 back was for a bigger useful load to do spins at a higher weight. Not sure, but that might be an issue at the moment. The decathalons need a lot of maintenance though, so the 150 will probably still be used quite a bit.
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Interesting. Hopefully the useful load thing is worked out so people like that Rottler guy from the Dakota Student can continue their usual whining about some other things.
 
ProudPilot said:
Ok, so here's a wrap up. The Mustang is $1200/hr to rent, inter-university only, no charters. There are 6 people who are authorized to fly it. Only 1 at the moment as single pilot ops. You are free to rent it if you are within the university, and with programs like the law, nursing, and the new energy center, there will be some people renting it.

As far as Air China, there has been a little talk, but not much. At this point if they want to train in it, great, if not, oh well.

As for the 150, it's back and shiny, but very small. The rumor is that it's useful load is less than that of the decathalons. The reason we brought the 150 back was for a bigger useful load to do spins at a higher weight. Not sure, but that might be an issue at the moment. The decathalons need a lot of maintenance though, so the 150 will probably still be used quite a bit.

As far as jet transition training, that will probably be done in the D-jet. I remember getting 7 hrs in the Baron during 325. It was a lot more, but also a lot more fun. You can't use a jet for the whole training without selling a leg or something, but small portions can be a big help.

Hope this helps clear a few things out, but if nothing else... that Mustang is very shiny.... :rawk:
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I was under the impression that it wasn't the weight, but the C.G. location with the decathalon that made it difficult for heavier people to fly it.:confused:
 
UAL747400 said:
I was under the impression that it wasn't the weight, but the C.G. location with the decathalon that made it difficult for heavier people to fly it.:confused:
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i think its a little of both. i know with me and my instructor we can usually only take 8 gallons a side for acro stuff. this is due to weight. i havent played around with putting heavy person in it and seeing if it stays within cg also....
 
With the DECA, we can usually get to max weight. We pair up appropriate flight instructors with students. To get the 1.3 hour flight in with very little fuel reserves, the max weight right now is 240 for the student. So for the heavy guys, if they want their CFI, they have to go part 61 to get their cert. This cessna was supposed to fix that and increase the max weight to 280 or higher, that didn't happen. Things don't happen overnight, so as this gets resolved, we'll keep you up to date.
 
Just curious, since UND is technically operating the mustang as an on demand charter wouldnt they need a Part 135 cert or do they have one?
 
av8or91 said:
Just curious, since UND is technically operating the mustang as an on demand charter wouldnt they need a Part 135 cert or do they have one?
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they might have one. they can pay instructors to do PR flights with dignitaries etc.
 
The Citation Mustang will be used for Aramco (Saudi) students. Apparently Aramco checked it out and preferred it over the King Air.
 
Uh oh. Saudi students? I wonder why they need jet training;). Pretty soon UND will but some 757's and 767's too:sarcasm:
 
Saudi Students are good. and Aramco has a huge Corp. flight department, training in a Mustang would be great for them
 
BuickCFI said:
they might have one. they can pay instructors to do PR flights with dignitaries etc.
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i asked skrammy about this. says that "UND" doesnt own the jet.... the "UND aerospace foundation" owns it (separate entity) and they do have a 135 cert to operate it as a on demand charter.

just for clarification.
 
TXaviator said:
i asked skrammy about this. says that "UND" doesnt own the jet.... the "UND aerospace foundation" owns it (separate entity) and they do have a 135 cert to operate it as a on demand charter.

just for clarification.
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thats what i was thinking. when you do PR flights or go fly around dignataries (i flew the mayor around for an hour last semester) it was billed to the foundation.
 
Is the "Aerospace Foundation" associated with that office space upstair in ryan hall called the aerospace network?
 
av8or91 said:
Is the "Aerospace Foundation" associated with that office space upstair in ryan hall called the aerospace network?
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no, the foundations office is behind the store in Ryan. the Network is something different, i think the media stuff
 
BuickCFI said:
no, the foundations office is behind the store in Ryan. the Network is something different, i think the media stuff
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Oh ok. What exactly is the aerospace foundation? Is it a seperate entity form the University? I have loooked up the tail numbers to some UND aircraft and the owner comes back to the UND aerospace foundation and some come back to the university of north dakota. :confused:
 
av8or91 said:
Oh ok. What exactly is the aerospace foundation? Is it a seperate entity form the University? I have loooked up the tail numbers to some UND aircraft and the owner comes back to the UND aerospace foundation and some come back to the university of north dakota. :confused:
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it is a seperate business entity.... i dont know why or how it is advantageous to do things like that however.... seems shady really.
 
BuickCFI said:
it is so the university doesn't get sued if something bad happens
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I was told once why the foundation exists... if I recall correctly, it also has to do with the aviation department running as a business. The foundation takes ownership of all the aircraft and equipment so it allows the aviation department to have more control rather than the greater University.
 
mokulele said:
I was told once why the foundation exists... if I recall correctly, it also has to do with the aviation department running as a business. The foundation takes ownership of all the aircraft and equipment so it allows the aviation department to have more control rather than the greater University.
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this would make sense, since obviously they do run it this way, as evidenced by seeking foreign contract students and so on.... :banghead:
 
Yeah it's funny how everything the university does seems shady...lol. Yeah they definitely create a foundation to screw you that much harder. It's funny how it's actually the opposite

I was always surprised when i was on the other side of campus and i would hear English TA's complain about all the money going to the aviation side. I used to laugh and never had the heart to tell them that none of their money went to build the nice buildings. They are better off at trying to fight to change the Sioux name.

The foundation is what runs all of the satellite schools. I know that Odegard didn't get much support when founding the school so it was set up as a business and somewhat separate from the school. I think everyone at least on the aviation side of the school knows that Ryan was funded by contract and so was the 5 story. I'm also pretty sure the CRJ Sim was partly due to Northwest.

Another one of my pet peeves with incoming aviation students were those who thought that UND would be nothing without the Odegard school. I'm sure if the aviation school left, UND would be just fine. Less people would leave the school because they either didn't like being in aviation or they didn't like being with that many aviation people. I know one guy who left because he hated aviation students. Either way UND would only be slightly smaller. The aviation school isn't even the biggest school on campus.
 
Bignellyxx said:
Another one of my pet peeves with incoming aviation students were those who thought that UND would be nothing without the Odegard school. I'm sure if the aviation school left, UND would be just fine. Less people would leave the school because they either didn't like being in aviation or they didn't like being with that many aviation people. I know one guy who left because he hated aviation students. Either way UND would only be slightly smaller. The aviation school isn't even the biggest school on campus.
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That's hilarious. A lot of the dorky kids do give the aviation side a bad impression. That'd probably be 90% of 'em.
 
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