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Who or what is MAPD?
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Lets go easy with the yoda talk people. We were all once begining pilots with lots of questions.

Brian, MAPD is the "airline portion" of the Mesa Pilot development program offered through ASU and at San Juan College in Farmington, NM. They do a whole buch of airline type training (what ever that is) and then they give you an interview with Mesa Airlines. It's sort of sketchy as not a whole lot of people who have gone through the program have actually made it to Mesa. Not as bad as Gulfstream, but still not the best.

And back to the ASA thing, how does quasi 121 training count as 121 experience? I've read the FC FAR/AIM. I've been studying 121 regs. Does that give me 121 experience? I certainly don't think so, but I guess that makes me a "competative applicant". Score!
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I have a friend that went to MAPD.. 6 months out and still waiting for the interview

Little sketchy I'd say..
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I'll be doing mechanical and aerospace engineering which IMO, makes a better pilot than the regular aerospace studies.

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Right-o, Brian.

I don't have a degree, and let me tell you- I am one hell of a bad pilot. It's a miracle that I'm not at the bottom of a smoking hole yet.

Brian, you've ingested too much of the Jetcareers KoolAid. You do not need a degree to be good at flying an airplane, despite what most on here will tell you. A degree makes you a more competitive applicant, but not even that anymore. Obviously, there's not much "competition" if mins are 600/100.

I'll take my hugely unpopular opinion and shut up now.

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I wasn't comparing someone with a degree and someone without one. What I'm saying is that as aerospace engineering, you know more than the average pilot about the aircraft and etc. I'm not saying that you shouldn't be a pilot because you don't have a degree and such. Ask any aero engineer here and they probably can explain it better.
 
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Ask any aero engineer here and they probably can explain it better.


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Great, because I'd love to hear how having a degree in anything makes any difference in your ability as a pilot. I'm waiting...
 
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I think what we're seeing here is typical "i'm better than you because I spent four years at _______ school". Seems to be a pandemic in academia, especially if you attend a school where there is a certain good program... (here at Purdue, it's the engineers)... But the fact of the matter is, just because you reach a subjective standard doesn't make you intelligent. And just because you chose to go to a better school doesn't mean that other people couldn't. Like others on this board (I'm sure), I could've gone into the medical or law fields, but decided that QOL is better as a pilot. Every so often, I still hear it from people who are asking why I didn't become a doctor... It's just some stupid societal standard that more people buy into more than others
 
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but decided that QOL is better as a pilot.

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Aw man... your cracking me up here. Actually, it probably is.

Brian J, you apparently didn't really read what I wrote. Getting a degree in aero doesn't really do much for you pilot skills beyond helping you have a good understanding of aerodynamics (which to let you in on a secret doesn't come into play at all actually flying the plane.) In fact, I would say those people getting an aviation science degree are in a better position for an airline job as they understand how the industry works, and hence why they are employable as pilots. Where the engineering degree will help is in case flying doesn't work for you.

And ESF, he is comparing two people who have a degree, not a person who doesn't and a person who does.

What is it with me playing peacemaker today? Jeesh.
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And ESF, he is comparing two people who have a degree, not a person who doesn't and a person who does.


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Thats not my point. My point is having a degree in one thing, or another, or none at all has SQUAT to do with one's ability as a pilot.

But anyways, I really don't care one way or another.

"I'm out of here like I'm on fire." (Bonus points if you name the band/album/song that came from)

Back to the regularly scheduled 600 hour wonder thread.
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What I'm saying is that as aerospace engineering, you know more than the average pilot about the aircraft and etc.

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Think about that for a minute. You can EXPLAIN it better, so that makes a better PILOT? Dude, I could probably explain the systems on a Cessna 310 since they are similar to most ME aircraft, but that doesn't mean I can hop in and fly the thing. I've said this before, the only thing that will make you a better pilot is FLYING. All the theory in the world doesn't teach you how to fly. I could sit down and draw out lazy eights on a dry erase board and walk you step by step on how to fly them. Odds are you will suck at them the first two or three times even though you know exactly how to do them. This is almost like saying "I can fly a 737 b/c I play flight sim."
 
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Dude... it's Def Leppard. Dunno the song. And you're right. The degree doesn't make you any better of a pilot. Just a more marketable one (when you are first getting started)
 
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well...back to my idea of doing the internship program - that gets you to 1300 total time approx, 1000 multi AND turbine hours, and gets you in the door...if the pays gonna be crappy anyhow..why the hell not?!?
 
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can anyone confirm any of this. if they are lowering the mins for everyone or just special program grads.

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special program grads.

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You're making it sound like 'the short bus'!
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I think those mins are only for the amazing pilots that have a doctorate in aerospace engineering and astrophysics
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well...back to my idea of doing the internship program - that gets you to 1300 total time approx, 1000 multi AND turbine hours, and gets you in the door...if the pays gonna be crappy anyhow..why the hell not?!?

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Well, I'm gonna regret this, but.....

Which "intern" program is this?
 
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I think those mins are only for the amazing pilots that have a doctorate in aerospace engineering and astrophysics
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can anyone confirm any of this. if they are lowering the mins for everyone or just special program grads.

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The 600 and 100 is for everyone. The mins for the internship are lower than that if you have been to one of those schools.

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The 600TT/100ME/100 last six months is good for anyone. I've even heard of a Riddle guy being hired with 400 TT.

The information that we were given is that they prefer people with 121 experience or advanced aircraft training or experience. A big factor in blown interviews is the inability to fly the glass cockpit in the sim.

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That said, given the chance (and hopefully I will get it ) I think between the faster upgrade and the realative coolness of the plane, I would probably go for the ATR over the RJ

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Go for the CRJ. Pay is the same and the QOL is much better. When you get ready to upgrade, you can bid into the ATR if it's still around.

I've been part of two declining fleets and it isn't much fun. The company is locking guys into the ATR now and the it will take you much longer to get a line.
 
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Hmm. I guess when you look at it that why, the CRJ sounds better. Now all I need is a call back. Anybody know how far behind the resume pile they are?

Ethan
 
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