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70 with the company but if you post your ish on the trade board and someone grabs it, I guess 0How low can you drop it?
70 with the company but if you post your ish on the trade board and someone grabs it, I guess 0How low can you drop it?
You know how it is, the most irrational scream the loudest.I really don't understand the ridiculous amount of social media outrage with this TA. It has some really great stuff in it. 14 hour call outs...Yes, please! Did I hear right- union ran rotations and PBS? That's pretty great. Pay rates aren't amaze-ballz, but it has lots of work rule gains. Mad that vacation is 3:45 per day? That's what Delta has (and after a few weeks it goes to 3:30 per day). Mad that the bigs are going to leap frog many of the provisions immediately? They're the bigs and this is pattern bargaining. Welcome to the You Went First Club.
Also, remember that voting down the TA is a tacit vote to recall the MEC and NC because they voted unanimously for it. That means dismantling and reforming your entire union government. Look at it through that lens...unless it's an absolute turd like United's profession crusher, it might be time to lock in the gains.
I really don't understand the ridiculous amount of social media outrage with this TA. It has some really great stuff in it. 14 hour call outs...Yes, please! Did I hear right- union ran rotations and PBS? That's pretty great. Pay rates aren't amaze-ballz, but it has lots of work rule gains. Mad that vacation is 3:45 per day? That's what Delta has (and after a few weeks it goes to 3:30 per day). Mad that the bigs are going to leap frog many of the provisions immediately? They're the bigs and this is pattern bargaining. Welcome to the You Went First Club.
Also, remember that voting down the TA is a tacit vote to recall the MEC and NC because they voted unanimously for it. That means dismantling and reforming your entire union government. Look at it through that lens...unless it's an absolute turd like United's profession crusher, it might be time to lock in the gains. I am pretty disappointed in the retro for you guys. I was hoping the BLET retro deal would bleed over to our industry being that it's the same NMB and all.
I mean, isn’t that likely to be the case anywhere with LCR?You realize that anyone not on SCR will be flying red eyes?
I mean, isn’t that likely to be the case anywhere with LCR?
Don’t junior line holders end up doing stuff like that anyway? There’s an element to being junior that’s going to suck literally everywhere.Yes. That’s why I don’t understand why so many are enthusiastic about this change.
Personally it’s great for me that people think this. I’ll hit SCR and sleep the first six hours of my SCR RAP. However, once the suck sets in and some dude has done 3 ANC red eye turns in a row and can’t remember how he got to the airport. Im guessing they will bid for SCR.
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I really don't understand the ridiculous amount of social media outrage with this TA.
Don’t junior line holders end up doing stuff like that anyway? There’s an element to being junior that’s going to suck literally everywhere.
Side bar.......so let's just say someone got SCR with a 0945 RAP all month. Non-commuter, or at least, not in the sense of it being more than a drive. Is this the ticket to hell, currently?
Reserve in base can be pretty nice. Not sure about Alaska, but you generally get a day or two that you don’t get used and 9:45 seems like the ideal time to me. You can sleep in and really can’t be scheduled for anything crazy late.Side bar.......so let's just say someone got SCR with a 0945 RAP all month. Non-commuter, or at least, not in the sense of it being more than a drive. Is this the ticket to hell, currently?
Side bar.......so let's just say someone got SCR with a 0945 RAP all month. Non-commuter, or at least, not in the sense of it being more than a drive. Is this the ticket to hell, currently?
How are your red eye rotations generally constructed? Genuinely interested. My category has a large number of them, but there seems to be a significant segment of pilots who really like them. The last few days of the month here always have a lot of open time. There are no red eyes in our open time for this whole week. I’m curious why the difference.I haven’t been able to digest the rules enough to understand if it will be a nightmare being on reserve. Like it has been at times.
I’m pretty open minded about the TA so far. I haven’t had the time to deep dive into the rules to answer a question like that.
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How are your red eye rotations generally constructed? Genuinely interested. My category has a large number of them, but there seems to be a significant segment of pilots who really like them. The last few days of the month here always have a lot of open time. There are no red eyes in our open time for this whole week. I’m curious why the difference.
Are you talking a first leg transcon red eye to a day-over, or is that a penalty leg to somewhere like Vegas or SFO into a day-over and then a red-eye on the second FDP? Scenario one seems to be a west coast pilot’s burden and I would hate it, but it’s just one of those things you deal with. Scenario two is a recipe for disaster and I don’t think it is allowed in pre-month rotation construction here. They do show up occasionally in broken frankentrips, though. Same with lean-over.Generally one leg out, 12 hour day sleep, one leg back. You’re landing on the east coast at about 6am, so 3am base (SEA) time. Interestingly there’s not a lot of them in open time at the moment. Often there’s some red eye back from Hawaii type stuff as well.
How are your red eye rotations generally constructed? Genuinely interested. My category has a large number of them, but there seems to be a significant segment of pilots who really like them. The last few days of the month here always have a lot of open time. There are no red eyes in our open time for this whole week. I’m curious why the difference.
I haven’t been able to digest the rules enough to understand if it will be a nightmare being on reserve. Like it has been at times.
I’m pretty open minded about the TA so far. I haven’t had the time to deep dive into the rules to answer a question like that.
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