New 175 Delivered to RAH. Why?

wheelsup said:
My guess is you are a first year FO who has their first gig outside of CFI'ing, if you ever did much of that even. Honestly, it gets better man. Hang in there. I'm a big pessimist but only because I don't like to be disappointed, but I still think the job is great. Even at the regional level. No, it's not as good as working for FedEx making $300k/yr but you'll get there. Provided oil doesn't go to $200/bbl in 2 months and our economy doesn't shut down and all airlines merge into one national carrier and contract by 95%.
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Totally agree. Its not that flying is not fun its great. Its not that the industry sucks, its fun. However if something else came up as far as an offer I also know that no matter what regional I am at I'd probably accept the offer and pursue it. That being Corp, major, fractional what not. Or even if some office job came up in which my degree was in and its an offer I cant reject I'd take it as well. Thus far I've not had anything but fun and enjoyable experiences with my flying (all together regional/cfi/student). Thus if something came along like Merit got I'd have to consider as I think all of us would to some extent with the way things go. In the end you have to worry about number 1 (thus the reflection in the mirror) and your family. Therefore I know Merits caught some grief but he made a great decision that put him in a better place. One in which I myself would have to consider as I believe we all would. Its all.
 
MusketeerMan said:
Once again, you coming out with your bad attitude! You don't care what I think? It doesn't matter what I think...the scope is there because the pilot group APPROVED it. Get it through your thick skull. Move on. Worry about your own scope and your own flying. You talk and even add smilies about the scope being shrunk back down...shows your true colors at least. Oh, one more thing, there's a thing called a contract in place right now with Republic and Airways...just FYI.

Aye yi yi
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Smile and a bad attitude in reference to scope back to 70 or less? Did not realize that was a bad attitude thus a mere oppinion? Regardless. Thus your planes would go back to having cabin class and your job would still be there. You perhaps need to review scope and thus the possibility of UAL/CAL/Airways and others being out of jobs. Also who knows perhaps a j4j clause would come back and your and my job could very well be gone.

The couldnt care less was to your thought on scope and allowing more. Its against my thought and many here. Yet if you want to argue why its good for the industry to not have scope or scope planes at more then 70 feel free to do so. I'm open ears to your thoughts... Please do explain.

Lastly contracts mean nothing if a Chap 11 were to occur. ANother thing to keep in mind. THings change entirely too fast to go pulling out a contract. What just happen to Frontier and your flying? CHap 11 I am pretty sure. Thus it sucks and its not right but that happens. I would not want anyone to lose pilots and jobs due to another carrier filing chap 11 and your contract thus is out the door. Just keep in mind how contracts do work with CHap 11 and other bankruptcy laws.
 
Kingairer said:
Its in RAHs best interest to get as many of the larger, more survivable, airplane on property. USair wanted 175s not 170s...So it doesnt make sense to say,"hot bout those 170s that you had before, you want them back instead of the newer larger plane?"...
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Do you really want more planes right now with routes being cut? Thus more planes your company would be paying on and not being used to the fullest extent? Asking more so here. I agree as a company with scope the way it is bigger planes do seem the way to go. Now would I agree with that no, but just asking if planes on property that arent being used (bigger) would be a good thing?
 
meyers9163 said:
In the end you have to worry about number 1 (thus the reflection in the mirror) and your family.
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So take your own advice, look out for number one and stop worrying about other companies and their pilots. What we should be worrying about is US Air, they've been ranked as the first legacy to go out of business within the next year or so. Since both of our jobs hinge on that fact I'd say worry less about what the #### republic is doing and more about what US Air is doing. They just issued a press release stating how they can't park any of their old 737's because they lease 95% of their planes and their lessors won't let them return them.
 
wheelsup said:
So take your own advice, look out for number one and stop worrying about other companies and their pilots. What we should be worrying about is US Air, they've been ranked as the first legacy to go out of business within the next year or so. Since both of our jobs hinge on that fact I'd say worry less about what the #### republic is doing and more about what US Air is doing. They just issued a press release stating how they can't park any of their old 737's because they lease 95% of their planes and their lessors won't let them return them.
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I will not post again? Thus living in indy my whole life and reading the good ole IndyStar is a crime about local businesses. THUS the fact that I know family friends who work for RAH in the corp offices I think I take an intrest in things. However why panic about USairways? If somethings going to happen its going to happen period. I'm not one who's going to freak out about that. Thus we have to wait and see. All this getting bent out of shape about what might or might not happens gets ya no where. Again perhaps we should be posting more about CAL/UAL then Usairways.... Perhaps FORDS statement with UAL would be something you and others could concern yourself with. Regardless I again wont and refuse to sit back and get all worried. It gets you no where. Thus typing and putting things into a discussion has become a bad thing lately. If you dont want discussion then I guess dont read these types of threads?
 
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meyers9163 said:
Oh no you did not just say that.... watch out Steve for your back now! I've got your covered but you just open some worms!
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And PSA should lose their -700's right?

Look all flying should be mainline. Regionals suck. Damn mainline for giving up scope for more money. What an industry.

Luckily- there are brilliant people at the regionals trying to make things better with ALPA's help.

Vote 2008 CJC
 
I think most have aspirations to move on to bigger and better flying in their futures, however a first year FO, even in a hiring market, has at least 5 or 6 years before you can really start thinking of the big major types. Thats if upgrades are quick and the majors are hiring. So currently who knows when the end is in sight. All you can do is goto work and make the best of it and try to improve yourself as a pilot.

I got hired when upgrades were 1.5 years now who the hell knows. All I know is that I have become comfortable knowing I may be at CHQ for 10 plus years. Would I rather be gone in half that time? Hell Yeah! But with the state of our beloved industry who knows where I will be in 2 months, 2 years, 2 decades. All I care at this point is that I am still on the payroll and I get to fly a plane for a living. All we can do is make the best of what we have in the present and keep pushing towards that goal out there in the future.

I didn't want to leave college, i went for 6 years and still have another 1.5 semesters I gotta figure out how to finish! :)
 
SoCalAprch said:
I think most have aspirations to move on to bigger and better flying in their futures, however a first year FO, even in a hiring market, has at least 5 or 6 years before you can really start thinking of the big major types. Thats if upgrades are quick and the majors are hiring. So currently who knows when the end is in sight. All you can do is goto work and make the best of it and try to improve yourself as a pilot.

I got hired when upgrades were 1.5 years now who the hell knows. All I know is that I have become comfortable knowing I may be at CHQ for 10 plus years. Would I rather be gone in half that time? Hell Yeah! But with the state of our beloved industry who knows where I will be in 2 months, 2 years, 2 decades. All I care at this point is that I am still on the payroll and I get to fly a plane for a living. All we can do is make the best of what we have in the present and keep pushing towards that goal out there in the future.

I didn't want to leave college, i went for 6 years and still have another 1.5 semesters I gotta figure out how to finish! :)
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I just wanted to say, that this post is the best of 2008. Congrats! I go now.
 
SoCalAprch said:
I think most have aspirations to move on to bigger and better flying in their futures, however a first year FO, even in a hiring market, has at least 5 or 6 years before you can really start thinking of the big major types. Thats if upgrades are quick and the majors are hiring. So currently who knows when the end is in sight. All you can do is goto work and make the best of it and try to improve yourself as a pilot.

I got hired when upgrades were 1.5 years now who the hell knows. All I know is that I have become comfortable knowing I may be at CHQ for 10 plus years. Would I rather be gone in half that time? Hell Yeah! But with the state of our beloved industry who knows where I will be in 2 months, 2 years, 2 decades. All I care at this point is that I am still on the payroll and I get to fly a plane for a living. All we can do is make the best of what we have in the present and keep pushing towards that goal out there in the future.

I didn't want to leave college, i went for 6 years and still have another 1.5 semesters I gotta figure out how to finish! :)
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I see what you're saying, but I'd take a short term furlough if it meant that I could get on a major seniority list faster. The way things are, I might be at Pinnacle for another 3-5 years. I see too many "Man, I'm just glad to have a JOB" people. Yeah, me, too. But do I wanna sacrifice my CAREER for a JOB? I didn't get into this to be a regional CA on the -200. That's what scoping out the "large regional jets" is doing. Bombardier is working on a CRJ that would seat as many people as a DC-9 or a 737-500. Should it be considered a "regional jet" just b/c it's made by Bombardier? That's how I look at the E175s and E190s. Some people say they're regional jets. Why? They LOOK like Airbuses, in some configs they're only a few seats shy of mainline aircraft and they've got better amenities than a lot of mainline aircraft. Why are they regional jets? Just b/c Embraer makes 'em doesn't mean they should be regional jets. I was glad to see US Airways taking a stand on the 190s and saying they should be mainline airplanes. Now, I have a feeling they might be sliding back to the regionals and there are people that are HAPPY about this.
 
kellwolf said:
I see what you're saying, but I'd take a short term furlough if it meant that I could get on a major seniority list faster. The way things are, I might be at Pinnacle for another 3-5 years. I see too many "Man, I'm just glad to have a JOB" people. Yeah, me, too. But do I wanna sacrifice my CAREER for a JOB? I didn't get into this to be a regional CA on the -200. That's what scoping out the "large regional jets" is doing. Bombardier is working on a CRJ that would seat as many people as a DC-9 or a 737-500. Should it be considered a "regional jet" just b/c it's made by Bombardier? That's how I look at the E175s and E190s. Some people say they're regional jets. Why? They LOOK like Airbuses, in some configs they're only a few seats shy of mainline aircraft and they've got better amenities than a lot of mainline aircraft. Why are they regional jets? Just b/c Embraer makes 'em doesn't mean they should be regional jets. I was glad to see US Airways taking a stand on the 190s and saying they should be mainline airplanes. Now, I have a feeling they might be sliding back to the regionals and there are people that are HAPPY about this.
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I completly agree with you. Id be happy to take a furlough as well but your scenario at this point is a dream. For us as 121 pilots to have any say in what should be considered "mainline" and "regional" we would need a national seniority list. Everyone knows that if for some reason comair, republic, pinnacle, etc... says they won't fly the 76 or 86 seat RJs because their pilot group won't allow it then someone else will pick up all that flying or the shadeball company will start a new one under a new name with a different pilot group to get around it.

My post wasn't about whats best for the whole profession but more about just trying to make the best of whats dealt to you. Because at this point we really have no power or say in anything. Once someone comes up with a way for a national seniority list or a way to get these back at mainline Im all ears but until then all you can do is try to make the best out of it. If they keep giving us 175s and pinnacle 900s then so be it. All we can do is fight for better pay and work rules until we can get hired and move onto bigger and better things. "Leave it in the same or better condition as you found it"

If mainline keeps giving them to regionals you may as well make the best of it because it may be a longer ride than we all expected.

This may not make much sense I had a couple tonight.
 
kellwolf said:
I see what you're saying, but I'd take a short term furlough if it meant that I could get on a major seniority list faster. The way things are, I might be at Pinnacle for another 3-5 years. I see too many "Man, I'm just glad to have a JOB" people. Yeah, me, too. But do I wanna sacrifice my CAREER for a JOB? I didn't get into this to be a regional CA on the -200. That's what scoping out the "large regional jets" is doing. Bombardier is working on a CRJ that would seat as many people as a DC-9 or a 737-500. Should it be considered a "regional jet" just b/c it's made by Bombardier? That's how I look at the E175s and E190s. Some people say they're regional jets. Why? They LOOK like Airbuses, in some configs they're only a few seats shy of mainline aircraft and they've got better amenities than a lot of mainline aircraft. Why are they regional jets? Just b/c Embraer makes 'em doesn't mean they should be regional jets. I was glad to see US Airways taking a stand on the 190s and saying they should be mainline airplanes. Now, I have a feeling they might be sliding back to the regionals and there are people that are HAPPY about this.
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THIS is the post of 2008.
 
Maybe every regional pilot should just strike on the same day and demand appropriate pay. That would solve it quickly. If we demanded higher "major like" pay then there would be no need for regionals and we would all be getting paid for what we are worth.:D
 
kellwolf said:
That's how I look at the E175s and E190s. Some people say they're regional jets. Why? They LOOK like Airbuses, in some configs they're only a few seats shy of mainline aircraft and they've got better amenities than a lot of mainline aircraft. Why are they regional jets? Just b/c Embraer makes 'em doesn't mean they should be regional jets.
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So whose fault is this. It certainly isn't yours or mine or any regional pilot.
 
Airdale said:
I just wanted to say, that this post is the best of 2008. Congrats! I go now.
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"Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!"


Seriously, guys. I have no dog in this fight, but you RAH guys sure seem to dogpile meyers.

I read what he said about all regionals sucking as "move up the ladder, you're contract flying." I didn't read it as my regional is better than yours, and RAH sucks!

Geez.
 
Maximillian_Jenius said:
"Just when you think you're out, they pull you back in!"


Seriously, guys. I have no dog in this fight, but you RAH guys sure seem to dogpile meyers.

I read what he said about all regionals sucking as "move up the ladder, you're contract flying." I didn't read it as my regional is better than yours, and RAH sucks!

Geez.
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Max..if I had a dollar for every post/thread that he's used to bash our company or pilot group, I'd be rich!!

I'm over it though...he has opinions about our group, and that's fine...

Come on Max...hurry your a$$ up, the jungle bus awaits you..
 
MusketeerMan said:
Max..if I had a dollar for every post/thread that he's used to bash our company or pilot group, I'd be rich!!

I'm over it though...he has opinions about our group, and that's fine...

Come on Max...hurry your a$$ up, the jungle bus awaits you..
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You are innocent of not doing exactly the same?

Bigger airplanes at regionals means less pay, for the same job. Where do you draw the line? CRJ-200? Q-400? CRJ-700? E-170?

Dash 8-300?
 
MusketeerMan said:
Max..if I had a dollar for every post/thread that he's used to bash our company or pilot group, I'd be rich!!

I'm over it though...he has opinions about our group, and that's fine...

Come on Max...hurry your a$$ up, the jungle bus awaits you..
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Ha! If I can get a loan in this economy, I'm so there man. I'm trying yo...gonna apply next month!
 
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