NetJets crash in Laredo TX

[Boris Badenov]

I hope that was your rule for the last 2 years lol

I like to live dangerously, but not THAT dangerously. *chomp*

 

[NovemberEcho]

I like to live dangerously, but not THAT dangerously. *chomp*

If you have flown into EWR without informing me i and your mother are very disappointed

 

[flyingpotato]

The death of a CEO is a HUGE deal and can break a company or if they are REALLY lucky, set back progress by 6-18 months.

Many company policies forbid multiple C-levels in the same plane, forbid rotorcraft, prop driven aircraft, and dangerous activities.

Crash That Killed In-N-Out Officers Is Investigated​

“In-N-Out President Richard A. Snyder of Newport Beach and Executive Vice President Philip R. West of Irvine apparently had broken a longstanding rule about not flying together and were both aboard the chartered jet.”—LA Times, 1993.

Even with these policies in place they’re sometimes broken. More disciplined entities will launch multiple AC. There are more tailored security/privacy aspects that interpret aviation safety into a very unique blend, that 121 op specs alone wouldn’t necessarily be an improvement upon. The unfortunate fact are the facts that would correct the misperception of “91 cowboys” are very well protected under the strict adherence of “private aviation”. But that facts that don’t are very much in abundance. Often with glaring results.

 

[WacoFan]

I can't really tell who got out when. If the smoke is literally and rapidly killing you, I think "women and children first" or whatever kinda goes out the window. Can't do much to help if you're dead, and now you're something else the rescuers have to deal with.

Edit: Had I been the C/A, I like to think I would have tried to get the last passenger. And the cops would have stopped me. And they would have been right.

Live look at Boris Badenov on The Titanic

 

[DropTank]

Live look at Boris Badenov on The Titanic
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That's silly!
Everyone knows that you use the child as a step stool.

 

[CFIscare]

Edit: Had I been the C/A, I like to think I would have tried to get the last passenger. And the cops would have stopped me. And they would have been right.

Just speculation on my part, and based on when I remember having watched the video yesterday, but I think that’s exactly what happened. It seems the first pilot, after evacuating, is yelling for the other pilot to get out. Yet, it still takes a couple of minutes before the other pilot comes out, in which case there is further rescue efforts afterwards.

Later in the video, and after the 2nd pilot evacuates, it is mentioned that there is still a remaining person on board that was “heavy” in which it was further clarified they were heavy because he was unconscious. It does really appear to me the pilot tried all he could to evacuate the last passenger but was unable to.

 

[MikeD]

The front line managers have little say in anything other than running the break board. The rot goes up far higher than them. The FAA wants managers who do what they’re told, not what actually improves the operation. We’ve had two ATM’s removed from their position here since the move because they pushed back against what thr FAA wanted when they could see how unrealistic it was with what is happening here. The current ATM hasn’t worked traffic since she was at Bismarck Tower, and thinks we are lying when we say the frequencies go out. We firmly believe that very soon the FAA will be telling managers to check people out that don’t even have recommendations from their trainers just because our staffing is about to be •ed when people start returning to N90 at the end of July, leaving us with net -3 certified controllers from when they moved us down here.

The standard screw up, move up. Sounds like many govt agencies out there vis a vis who promotes.

 

[MikeD]

Sounds like the airline business.

We’ve lost two different leaders who pushed against convention and got things done. Now it’s “Why aren’t things getting done? How come no one wants to step up? Where are our risk takers? Why aren’t we more agile?”

Even with you volunteering for every position at your shop that is management minus the formal title, things are still messed up?

 

[T/O w/FSII]

built like a brick •house

 

[MikeD]

Not saying he was a hero. You just said you were disappointed he got out first and ran away. Video proves you were wrong. Maybe withhold judgement before talking badly about someone that was just in a plane crash and will have every move under a microscope.

I can't really tell who got out when. If the smoke is literally and rapidly killing you, I think "women and children first" or whatever kinda goes out the window. Can't do much to help if you're dead, and now you're something else the rescuers have to deal with.

Edit: Had I been the C/A, I like to think I would have tried to get the last passenger. And the cops would have stopped me. And they would have been right.

In the 7:38 video you can see the teens get out at the 1 minute mark. The FO gets out at 1:20. He returns and looks like he attempts to get back in at 2:20. The capt is pulled out at around 3 minutes.

I would hope that I would try to get everyone out too. Hopefully I am never faced with that scenario.

Just speculation on my part, and based on when I remember having watched the video yesterday, but I think that’s exactly what happened. It seems the first pilot, after evacuating, is yelling for the other pilot to get out. Yet, it still takes a couple of minutes before the other pilot comes out, in which case there is further rescue efforts afterwards.

Later in the video, and after the 2nd pilot evacuates, it is mentioned that there is still a remaining person on board that was “heavy” in which it was further clarified they were heavy because he was unconscious. It does really appear to me the pilot tried all he could to evacuate the last passenger but was unable to.

Realistically, there is only so much you can do as one involved or one happening upon the accident. Jammed up wreckage, on fire, radiant heat going. No one equipped with fire bunker gear, no heavy firefighting equipment, no formal extrication equipment, and no training or experience with something like this; there’s only so much that can be done or can be expected to be done, given all those factors. And by what is seen in the video, the crew and those who happened upon the accident and LE, all did the best they could with the above factors they didn’t possess.

Reminds me of the United Express 5925 ground collision crash in Quincy, IL in 1996, where the surviving pax and captain were trapped in the wreckage of the 1900C in the survivable accident, and both a fellow pilot and another pilot, tried to get the cabin doors open, to no avail as fire took hold. The captain was talking to them through the cockpit window as the flames overtook the aircraft and everyone in it. The two pilots on scene did as much as they could with what they had, which was nothing but themselves.

 

[derg]

Even with you volunteering for every position at your shop that is management minus the formal title, things are still messed up?

Corporate America, man! LOL

I’m being nudged certain directions, but I’m sure they feel it’s like trying to give a cat a bath. Ain’t gonna happen.

 

[thepotato232]

No. In the video I saw he jumped out first and ran away, but I wasn't wearing my spectacles. Please inform the people how the pilot is the hero.

I've flown for operations with passengers/supernumeraries on board but not flight attendants, including examples from Parts 91, 121 and 135. Manufacturer and company emergency procedures dictate that the first officer shall be the first crewmember off of the aircraft, where they must direct the evacuation from the exterior of the plane and coordinate with first responders. Nobody's saying the f/o here is "the hero," we're saying he's doing his job - of which you remain consistently and loudly ignorant.