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No sir not my face but it seems you always rub it in the face of NJA_CAPT...Why is that? Why do you always have to rub it in? Big deal! So you get paid more than him and me and probably everybody on ths board put together, but you keep on hating on Netjets.

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I am not answering for him, but I believe NJA pilots are really underpaid. I am sure many others (including FC) feel the same way.

NJA, I hope ya'll get a great contract and it will be even more of a desirable company to work for.

Btw, i don't ever recall FC saying he hated Net Jets.
 
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Yeah....... good luck with that.
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Huh?
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No sir not my face but it seems you always rub it in the face of NJA_CAPT...Why is that? Why do you always have to rub it in? Big deal! So you get paid more than him and me and probably everybody on ths board put together, but you keep on hating on Netjets.

And by the way I have never asked you a question
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Don't read my posts...

NJA_Capt is a big boy, we have had discussions in the past... someone asked about NJA payscale and I posted it, NJA_Capt seemed to get upset that this info of their poor pay is public knowledge and that I posted it... I was answering someones question with information I had access to... So whats the problem?
 
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I am not answering for him, but I believe NJA pilots are really underpaid. I am sure many others (including FC) feel the same way.

NJA, I hope ya'll get a great contract and it will be even more of a desirable company to work for.

Btw, i don't ever recall FC saying he hated Net Jets.

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EXACTLY... I have never said I "hated netjets"... I am disappointed their pilots work for such poor wages, which tend to hold wages down for this industry, but they all took the job knowing the pay going in...

Of course fractional pilots are underpaid... But I will be curious to see what their "new contract" brings... I hope it is a huge raise, but I am not betting on it...
 
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Yes, the Fractionals (especially NetJets) pay a pitiful wage...

At my company ... day 1, new hires at the same pay a 10 year NJA Captain makes...

...and that doesn't include their annual bonus which if you include that would put them at about 12 year NJA Captain pay...

By year 3 our guys exceed the NJA pay scale...

and on top of that our guys average 165 work days per year (vs. NJA's 204)... Our guys average 72 RON's per year (vs. NJA's 156 RON's per year)...

Lets not even discuss Pension, retirement, benefits, etc...

Fractionals may be a decent stepping stone, but as of right now certainly are not a career job...

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I think these types of quotes are what they meant by rubbing. Making NJA comparisons bold faced for example, not that you posted easily accessable salary numbers. Bear in mind I am fully open, every one knows where I work and could guess-timate what I make, whereas you remain anonymous behind a screen name without saying who provides your excellent employement benefits. Though I doubt it, you could be a wannabe just causing trouble on boards
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I think boths sides of the profession are debateable. Both of us like where we are and both of us defend our gound. Like they say...."never burn a bridge." Especially if you are standing on it.
 
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Though I doubt it, you could be a wannabe just causing trouble on boards
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Thats me, a wannabe big time trouble-maker... I'm busted...


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I think boths sides of the profession are debateable. Both of us like where we are and both of us defend our gound.

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I don't think I have ever posted anything against you... If I have, please provide reference... This has nothing to do with being "against" NJA_Capt... I don't even know NJA_Capt, so why should I be against him/her?

By the way, my posting was in response to JonnyB's post, where HE stated if the pay scale that I posted was correct, that it was pitiful... I confirmed that it was directly from FracStats.com and I agreed it was pitiful, giving an example of pay where I am to give the reader an example of where the payscale is relative to others... I never mentioned ANYTHING about NJA_Capt at anypoint in that post...

So technically JonnyB was the one who exclaimed that the NJA Payscale is pitiful... not I... Take it up with JonnyB...

Also, NJA_Capt had in the past asked about my pay saying as I always talked about "6 figure" pay but never gave any specific numbers... So as not to be ambiguous per his request, I have now posted numbers... Now he doesn't want to see the numbers... I wish someone would make up their mind...
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Now he doesn't want to see the numbers... I wish someone would make up their mind...
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huh
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I said you never told who you worked for...for comparison purposes, of course.
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Where'd you post your numbers? I never saw them.
 
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Now he doesn't want to see the numbers... I wish someone would make up their mind...
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huh
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I said you never told who you worked for...for comparison purposes, of course.
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Where'd you post your numbers? I never saw them.

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OK, it took me a while, I didn't realize it was so long ago, but I found the post where NJA_Capt was complaining I never showed "my numbers"...

http://jetcareers.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB9&Number=112092&Forum=f9&Words=Dream%20Job&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Main=111003&Search=true&where=sub&Name=2396&daterange=1&newerval=&newertype=w&olderval=4&oldertype=m&bodyprev=#Post112092

If you then scroll down 2 posts you will see I gave you the numbers you were looking for...

And Mr. EEG, this post of NJA_Capt's is why I now give detailed compensation information... NJA_Capt complained I was being too vauge, so I filled in the details... Once again, if you don't want to know the answer, don't ask the question...
 
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No sir not my face but it seems you always rub it in the face of NJA_CAPT...Why is that? Why do you always have to rub it in? Big deal! So you get paid more than him and me and probably everybody on ths board put together, but you keep on hating on Netjets.

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I am not answering for him, but I believe NJA pilots are really underpaid. I am sure many others (including FC) feel the same way.

NJA, I hope ya'll get a great contract and it will be even more of a desirable company to work for.

Btw, i don't ever recall FC saying he hated Net Jets.

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I see where you're coming from but I didn't say that FC hated Netjets but that he's always hating on Netjets( figure of speech) meaning always talking crap about Netjets...
 
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Yes, the Fractionals (especially NetJets) pay a pitiful wage...

At my company ... day 1, new hires at the same pay a 10 year NJA Captain makes...

...and that doesn't include their annual bonus which if you include that would put them at about 12 year NJA Captain pay...

By year 3 our guys exceed the NJA pay scale...

and on top of that our guys average 165 work days per year (vs. NJA's 204)... Our guys average 72 RON's per year (vs. NJA's 156 RON's per year)...

Lets not even discuss Pension, retirement, benefits, etc...

Fractionals may be a decent stepping stone, but as of right now certainly are not a career job...

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I think these types of quotes are what they meant by rubbing. Making NJA comparisons bold faced for example, not that you posted easily accessable salary numbers. Bear in mind I am fully open, every one knows where I work and could guess-timate what I make, whereas you remain anonymous behind a screen name without saying who provides your excellent employement benefits. Though I doubt it, you could be a wannabe just causing trouble on boards
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I think boths sides of the profession are debateable. Both of us like where we are and both of us defend our gound. Like they say...."never burn a bridge." Especially if you are standing on it.

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You hit it right on the sweet spot. That's all I have to say...
 
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No sir not my face but it seems you always rub it in the face of NJA_CAPT...Why is that? Why do you always have to rub it in? Big deal! So you get paid more than him and me and probably everybody on ths board put together, but you keep on hating on Netjets.

And by the way I have never asked you a question
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Don't read my posts...

NJA_Capt is a big boy, we have had discussions in the past... someone asked about NJA payscale and I posted it, NJA_Capt seemed to get upset that this info of their poor pay is public knowledge and that I posted it... I was answering someones question with information I had access to... So whats the problem?

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"Don't read my posts..." and " So what's the problem?"

So that's you answer? I just want to know why you're always downing NJ. Why is that? Can you answer that for me? Other than the pay issue cuz everybody here knows that your the highest paid pilot in the universe and your company is the best in the galaxy, even though they laid off how many??? Oh yeah, 50,000 people.
 
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I just want to know why you're always downing NJ. Why is that? Can you answer that for me?

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Answer one question for me... How old are you?

You want to know why I am down on NetJets? They bring down the industry average pay, plain and simple... They agree to work for wages which are WELL below industry average, which in turns holds down that average, which causes everyone else to have to work for lower wages... It is a domino effect and when you get into the business world you might better understand that... It is the same reason airline guys don't like Mesa or Freedom or Gulfstream airlines...

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Other than the pay issue cuz everybody here knows that your the highest paid pilot in the universe and your company is the best in the galaxy, even though they laid off how many??? Oh yeah, 50,000 people.

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Gee, you almost sound jealous... By these comments I am guessing you are 12-14 years old, based on this I won't dignify your comments... I will say there are several members on this board who make more than I do... That I know for a fact... And good for them, that helps everyone raise the bar... If NetJets is so great, why are there so many pissed off NJA pilots screaming about a new contract (for the last 2 1/2 years)??? If you don't believe me, go read about it on FlightInfo... You might be enlightened...

I post my info on here (at NJA_Pilot's request, see post above for reference to his request) to show you younger guys a comparison... Yeah, Yeah, I know, when you are living with mommy and daddy $50,000/year sounds pretty damn good... Wait until you have a wife, kids, mortgage, car payment, student loans, college funds, etc... to pay off/for... You'll find $50,000/year doesn't go very far at all...
 
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"Don't read my posts..." and " So what's the problem?"

So that's you answer? I just want to know why you're always downing NJ. Why is that? Can you answer that for me? Other than the pay issue cuz everybody here knows that your the highest paid pilot in the universe and your company is the best in the galaxy, even though they laid off how many??? Oh yeah, 50,000 people.

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Alright dude, no reason to start flinging sh*t around. FC and NJA are big boys and don't need our help sorting out they're differences. This is a good discussion, your obviously one of our younger members, so instead of taking sides and being blatantly biased, just sit back, observe, and learn something. Even though there is some adimosity, there's also a lot of good info in this thread.
 
Alright dude, no reason to start flinging sh*t around. FC and NJA are big boys and don't need our help sorting out they're differences. This is a good discussion, your obviously one of our younger members, so instead of taking sides and being blatantly biased, just sit back, observe, and learn something. Even though there is some adimosity, there's also a lot of good info in this thread.

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So just because I put FC on the spot I'm younger? I'm just trying to find out why he's always on NJ case that's all. Why don't you look at previous posts and you'll see what I'm talking about?
 
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FC and NJA are big boys and don't

I don't and have never said that I some how personally blame NJA_Capt for the NetJets pay debacle... It isn't his fault, he took a job at the time that fit his needs... Everyone needs to make decisions that are right for them at the time... It is a simple fact...

I would bet good money that if NJA_Pilot and I met in person we would get along just fine... Who knows, we might have met already... I see a lot of NJA guys on the road...
 
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So just because I put FC on the spot I'm younger? I'm just trying to find out why he's always on NJ case that's all.

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No, it is the content of your posts that show you are still a teenager...

I say again, I have never personally ripped on NJA_Pilot... So get over it already...
 
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FC and NJA are big boys and don't

I don't and have never said that I some how personally blame NJA_Capt for the NetJets pay debacle... It isn't his fault, he took a job at the time that fit his needs... Everyone needs to make decisions that are right for them at the time... It is a simple fact...

I would bet good money that if NJA_Pilot and I met in person we would get along just fine... Who knows, we might have met already... I see a lot of NJA guys on the road...

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FalconCapt, when I refer to NJ I'm referring Netjets not just NJA_Capt. but if you look at some of your previous posts it sure seems like your riding him. I'm pretty sure that if you guy's met you guy's would get along fine. Maybe I'm reading into you're posts a little to much but if you look at post " #182150 - Tue Jun 29 2004 07:43 AM " that you posted you seems like you contradict yourself.

To answer your question, I'm 28 have a wife 2 daughters. Have my house, car and student loan. Moved out of mommy's house when I was 17, joined the US Army and served 6 years as a UH-60L Crew chief. Earned my A&P and Multi Commercial. So no I'm not a teen. Maybe you just didn't see the sarcasm in my post, maybe because I put you on the spot. I apologize if I stepped on your toes.
 
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Maybe you just didn't see the sarcasm in my post, maybe because I put you on the spot. I apologize if I stepped on your toes.

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You didn't step on my toes, you are the one who has their panties in a bunch... I think you are trying to make mountains out of mole hills here... If you are looking for a fight, go look somewhere else... You seem to be an awefully jealous person...
 
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