Negotiating domiciles

JDean3204 said:
That is the truth. You knew that when signing, I knew that and so did everyone else. We accept that as it is what it is, I was just trying to throw out the crazy idea of changing that thought process during the interview, job offer and signing process. Maybe a little assistance in the scenario that if MSP closes, well now you're a commuter. So that's your loss as of now, but how about a dead head clause that would allow you to know you'll get to let's say DEN the day of and home the last day of a trip. Or you can't make it home, so here is a hotel room until your dead head in the morning. Little things like that would really help the current "OMG, where are the pilots at??!!" Situation.
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Hi, I used to advocate for that sort of thing.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Certainly. Hell I like where I live enough to consider finding something else to do locally if MSP goes away (it isn't).
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Ah you're starting to sound like a lifer. ;)

The reality of it is just suck it up. Eventually you'll get based where you want. Assuming the company has the base you want as a base. To not pick a good career opportunity simply because you won't INITIALLY be based where you want IMO is very short sighted. Seniority is EVERYTHING. Hurry up, and hop on the band wagon so you can get your number in line.
 
JustinS said:
Ah you're starting to sound like a lifer. ;)

The reality of it is just suck it up. Eventually you'll get based where you want. Assuming the company has the base you want as a base. To not pick a good career opportunity simply because you won't INITIALLY be based where you want IMO is very short sighted. Seniority is EVERYTHING. Hurry up, and hop on the band wagon so you can get your number in line.
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This is why I'm based here and you're soon to be assigned Hell I mean DTW.
 
JDean3204 said:
So what made it so hard to get those details across the table and approved? Airline management right?? They proabably laughed and said you were OTL for bringing up something so silly..
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The things you are referring to are actually happening. Pay has basically doubled in the last 3 years (starting pay that is). Regionals are getting commuter hotels (unheard of previously). Bonuses are getting thrown out like candy. TBH I get where you are coming from. I don't know that I would ever commute for this job. On the other hand you will run into hundreds of people that have 2+ leg commutes that think this is the greatest job in the world. I'm not sure that relocation incentives and such are what's keeping people out of the industry. The ability to live wherever you want is what got a lot of people interested.
 
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Derg said:
Well pilots are in a very unique situation.

I'm married to a civil engineer and if she applied and was accepted at a job in Norfolk, we'd be moving to Norfolk or turning down the job.
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Yep. My wife applied for a job across town, and we had long talks about how it would impact our life negatively if we didn't move for it. Across town. Luckily, she hasn't gotten an offer from them yet, though she still might.
 
A dead head ticket at each end of a trip would be most welcome. Even if they only gave you two a month that would take so much stress out of commuting that they could probably actually get people to do to bases that are traditionally hard to fill.
 
Low_Level_Hell said:
Are pilots able to negotiate what their domicile will be as a condition of employment? For example can an applicant tell the airline interviewer I will only accept employment if I can be stationed out of XYZ.

I imagine a few years ago such an audacious request would result in the application being sent immediately to the circular file.
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that doesn't sound like negotiating to me....One can tell a prospective employer anything they want. But said person better be ready to deal with the consequences. I would bet in the airline biz that would quickly followed by "dont call us, we'll call you....
 
JEP said:
that doesn't sound like negotiating to me....One can tell a prospective employer anything they want. But said person better be ready to deal with the consequences. I would bet in the airline biz that would quickly followed by "dont call us, we'll call you....
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In 135 you'll get away with it, especially right now - I basically said, "well, I can only take this if I'm going to base X" and that's worked before, but if the pilot market is fat on pilots you're going to get a stern look and a "good luck with that attitude son, don't let the good door hitcha where the good lord splitcha!"
 
JEP said:
that doesn't sound like negotiating to me....One can tell a prospective employer anything they want. But said person better be ready to deal with the consequences. I would bet in the airline biz that would quickly followed by "dont call us, we'll call you....
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Especially because under the RLA the union is the sole bargaining agent for pilots. Generally, making self deals is frowned upon... And illegal.
 
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