Negotiating domiciles
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BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
This is why you are a hack.
This is true.
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
You can ask.
Then someone's phone rings with OMG I GOT ASSIGNED DETROIT BUT THEY PROMISED ME WHATEVER ELSE OUT OF THE GATE and the response is something like that CapOne commercial "That would be our C-E-No."
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
Wait, *that's* why?
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Well... Lots of reasons. But that's one.
"Why do I have reserve? The recruiter said I wouldn't have to sit reserve! I'm going to file a grievance with SAPA!"
Did you feel that, @Autothrust Blue ?
Autothrust Blue
”…trusting ze process…”
FWIW, policy interpretation complaints (which the rest of the business and oddly, our FAs, call grievances) were not routed to my desk, which led to some interesting drama that I can tell you about over beer."Why do I have reserve? The recruiter said I wouldn't have to sit reserve! I'm going to file a grievance with SAPA!"
Did you feel that, @Autothrust Blue ?
The response to that was something like "You go on with your bad self, but as far as I can tell as the guy writing the damn book, I don't see the violation 'cheer; also, let's talk a little airline-facts-of-life."
(There's a great paper I read called "From Airmanship to Airlineship...")
JDean3204
Well-Known Member
I wish the 121 world worked in such a way you could be home based, but with all those apps on file at the majors and all the new pilots entering the industry why would they ever consider changing the way things happen...
Commuting to reserve has been kind of a head game. I pay for the crashpad, which was 400 in LA and now 290 in Seattle. That is money that if "home basing" was an option I wouldn't be losing every month.. In LA I spent about 200-300 a month on Uber rides, again another cost of commuting that one doesn't think of until they add up all the small things. The funny thing is I chose my current airline because it paid more than another, both airlines have bases where I live. If I went with the other airline, I'd be Based where I live now haha. Now the joke is on me because I spend at times more money on the commute than the difference in pay was
Granted regional wages have gone up in the last year or so, the 35-40k I will make while commuting will equal 25-30k easily afther commuting costs are deducted.
So as we all find it hilarious that a new member of the JC community could actually ask about something as silly as base negotiations, maybe many others have the same question and that is the reason that more people won't get into the industry. Who really got excited even after that mainline job offer to commute?? It has just become such a known in our culture that we choose to accept a job that doesn't offer relocation pay if required to work out of a location, cost of living allowance while basing one in a very expensive city, or housing while commuting to that expensive a$$ city.. These aren't things that make new guys sound "entitled", these are things that make pilots sound dumb for accepting in the first place TBH. Please name 3 other professions that require such training and education that will not offer any new hire some sort of compensation upon accepting a job and having to move to NYC, or LA. Please don't say.. "well, you get a new hire bonus now to pay for moving or commuting, because that would be called the commuting bonus, not the we don't pay enough to hire people so here is some money that we can take away anytime bonus"..
Commuting to reserve has been kind of a head game. I pay for the crashpad, which was 400 in LA and now 290 in Seattle. That is money that if "home basing" was an option I wouldn't be losing every month.. In LA I spent about 200-300 a month on Uber rides, again another cost of commuting that one doesn't think of until they add up all the small things. The funny thing is I chose my current airline because it paid more than another, both airlines have bases where I live. If I went with the other airline, I'd be Based where I live now haha. Now the joke is on me because I spend at times more money on the commute than the difference in pay was
Granted regional wages have gone up in the last year or so, the 35-40k I will make while commuting will equal 25-30k easily afther commuting costs are deducted.
So as we all find it hilarious that a new member of the JC community could actually ask about something as silly as base negotiations, maybe many others have the same question and that is the reason that more people won't get into the industry. Who really got excited even after that mainline job offer to commute?? It has just become such a known in our culture that we choose to accept a job that doesn't offer relocation pay if required to work out of a location, cost of living allowance while basing one in a very expensive city, or housing while commuting to that expensive a$$ city.. These aren't things that make new guys sound "entitled", these are things that make pilots sound dumb for accepting in the first place TBH. Please name 3 other professions that require such training and education that will not offer any new hire some sort of compensation upon accepting a job and having to move to NYC, or LA. Please don't say.. "well, you get a new hire bonus now to pay for moving or commuting, because that would be called the commuting bonus, not the we don't pay enough to hire people so here is some money that we can take away anytime bonus"..
z987k
Well-Known Member
Some of the 121 sup / ACMI carriers do home basing. Omni does. Kalitta might. Atlas does gateway, which includes a paid ticket to your base and a hotel, though you may get taxed on that.
I know this isn't an option for everyone, but my suggestion for the first 10 plus years of your flying career is to not own more than you can pack into your vehicle(s)/trailer in a weekend, rent, and be willing to move anywhere in the country. Living in base has a lot of advantages. On the 135 side, you have to move, so you just move as you find new jobs.
z987k
Well-Known Member
Well, airline pilots. And even then. It wasn't too long ago where everyone took any job they could find. And that might include moving from California to New Jersey.... or Dubai.
z987k
Well-Known Member
I'm not aware of any airline that will foot that bill. I had 2 of the 135 shops I worked for pay for relocation up to an amount. And that was discussed at the compensation portion of the interview.
Er.. actually, I think a lot of places have relocation in their CBA if it is forced displacement. YMMV.
Probably depends on the position and 'scarcity' of your skillset.
If you're a chief bottle washer, most likely no.
If you're an upper-level manager and basically a corporate "unicorn" with a high level of compensation and performance expectations, most likely yes.
Different Industries, different perks....
....Hey Skibo, would you like a job in Cincinnati? OK, we will cover the closing costs and realtor fees on your house (Selling and buying ends), pack your goods, move your goods, store your goods up to a year, give you one's months pay bonus, 60 days of company paid food and lodging and a house hunting trip for the family. Oh yeah and we will tax assist all the above.
Awesome, can I just live in Scottsdale and commute?
Hell No!
My friend's wife was applying as VP of "something" for a large multi-national corporation and there was a few weeks of interviews, salary negotiations, retirement negotiations, exit package negotiations and they were going to move to the city where the company was headquartered.
The world where you negotiate an exit package is simply not one I live in. Ha!
Its rare air up there and I'll retire before I breathe it! Congrats to those who make it.
Working with BAE folks years ago, they couldn't get people in Woodford, UK so they would fly folks in from Farnborough on Mondays and back home on Fridays using a BAE-146 the company had. My JV teammates used to party it up Thursday night as all they had to really do Friday was find the only plane on the flightline and crawl in.