MTV's The Real World Guy and DEI Hiring

Cherokee_Cruiser said:
FOUR separate 121 checkride failures? I don’t care about egos. The flying public deserves better. We as CAs deserve better. Our FAs deserve better. Innocent people on the ground deserve better.



Fire them. Why is that so taboo?


Coming up on 20 yrs of 121 flying with zero failures, but If I fail 4 separate 737 CQs, I’ll hang my wings up and never touch a plane again. And no one should hire me either.


Primary training failures are a separate ball game. Part 121 training is an entirely easier ordeal. Put in half a decent effort and you’ll pass. I’ll give a mulligan for death in the family or divorce, but then again you should be taking time off - not getting tested.





I will never understand why it’s so taboo to sit someone down and tell them, even at 121, that this just isn’t for them, they suck, failed too many times, and now it’s time for a career change. No one owes you a flying career.


What's wrong with a brutal reality check?
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Why don't you hold the administration you voted for to the same standard? You happily voted for a reality TV star who has no real business doing anything in politics, yet here we are. Would I hire somebody with 4 separate 121 failures? No. If they pass the training program and are released to the line, are they fully qualified? Yes.

BTW this wasn't an issue before DEI became a thing. When white males were busting rides left and right, his buddies would look the other way. Now that it might be a black, brown, or woman? OMG UNQUALIFIED AND UNCERTIFICATED!!
 
Inverted said:
Why don't you hold the administration you voted for to the same standard? You happily voted for a reality TV star who has no real business doing anything in politics, yet here we are. Would I hire somebody with 4 separate 121 failures? No. If they pass the training program and are released to the line, are they fully qualified? Yes.
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Well they’re not crashing a plane killing passengers. It’s also hard to quantify the requirements to be a head of DOT.



Inverted said:
BTW this wasn't an issue before DEI became a thing. When white males were busting rides left and right, his buddies would look the other way. Now that it might be a black, brown, or woman? OMG UNQUALIFIED AND UNCERTIFICATED!!
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Well I say this regardless of skin color. Colgan was white, Atlas was black. But I couldn’t care less. The airplane and gravity won’t care about skin color when things are going bad, specifically bad because of previous failures and incompetency.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Well they’re not crashing a plane killing passengers. It’s also hard to quantify the requirements to be a head of DOT.





Well I say this regardless of skin color. Colgan was white, Atlas was black. But I couldn’t care less. The airplane and gravity won’t care about skin color when things are going bad, specifically bad because of previous failures and incompetency.
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This is a thread about DEI...
 
I have always understood that “merit-based employment” is synonymous with making the choices that cause the least trouble for the business.

As pilats that broadly means shouldering risk where other controls have failed (possibly also to make other bosses happy).

Got a feeling about accepting an aircraft with a write-up history for that trip? Merit-based decision-making.

Were you technically unstable by the approach gate? Go-arounds cost time and money for the boss. So does training; maybe you just make it work for better merit.

Etc.
 
Inverted said:
This is a thread about DEI...
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Um, ok, but you were the one who brought up the admin qualifications/competency. But anyway, back to the regular thread topic.



As for getting minorities into this field. Being subcontinent, there are far more Indian pilots in America than Pakistani pilots. But there’s also a reason for that. For Pakistanis, piloting just isn’t seen as an “educated” career. It’s seen as a monkey button pusher kinda thing. I’ve shared the story before as a VX FO, my father introduced me at a dinner reception to some distant family friends as “my #2 son, and he’s uh, an engineering background…”

In some cultures it’s more important to be seen as an educated white collar professional than a pilot.

I can’t speak for other backgrounds and cultures other than my own. Just sharing what would be a challenge to get someone who looks like me into this career field.

But if people have ideas/efforts to show minorities that this career could very well be in reach, then go for it. Heck if it wasn’t for my 2 yr old, I might even volunteer for said efforts.
 
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ahw01 said:
Most bid avoided 121 captain.

CC or Sullenberger?

Place your bets
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Oh god, neither. I'm not really good at NOT psychoanalyzing "outlier" personality types, but I'm good at it, which is why I'm the "FSP Whisperer". :)
 
ahw01 said:
Well Sullenberger was at USAir, so y’know
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I don't know that I would have necessarily enjoyed flying with him, but I've been fortunate enough to meet him, and it was frankly a quite pleasant experience, so. (I was not given, during our 10 or so minute conversation, any indications that he was an unpleasant jerk.)

Also, I am not convinced that anything he said was necessarily incorrect. There's not a single "correct" path to making a good airline pilot; some military pilots are amazing, some are awful, same with civilians.
 
derg said:
He wants it to be a thread about… himself.

I think we might be the healthiest attention he’s getting in the real world.
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What will he do if you ever decide to shut down JC one day? I cant really say he would just bounce over to APC. There are hundreds like him over there so I imagine its pretty competitive to get attention.
 
zmiller4 said:
It’s easy to avoid checkride failures! Just don’t take any of the hard ones.
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Or make sure to get (and study) "the gouge" for the examiner / program so that you don't actually have to exercise and demonstrate ADM on the fly, so that things intended to create startle and surprise don't, and so that you don't have to waste time training all the little things that would make you a well-rounded pilot. Focusing on "teach to test" makes the process much more efficient, and you're far less likely to fail.

That way you can cooperate, graduate, and schmooze your way to a multimillion dollar career!

See also: why society is in the state that it's in, except that our current society has taken it to its logical conclusion—why jump through the hoops when you can just buy your way into power directly without even pretending competence?

Welcome to kakistocratic aristocracy.
 
zmiller4 said:
It’s easy to avoid checkride failures! Just don’t take any of the hard ones.
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"Someone" told me that I'm not a CFI therefore my lack of failures doesn't count, to which I shrugged and said "that's just like, your opinion, man."

I have actually been thinking about going back and getting same if for no other reason than I really do want to fly GA again, and maybe I actually do have something to teach after doing this as long as I have in as many different places and different ways, etc.

I was really lucky because I felt over-prepared for every check ride I've ever taken, a function of going through primary and advanced when I did (I managed, somehow, to get some truly phenomenal flight instructors) and at a comparably slow pace (college and other stuff were also priorities). Apparently that's not universal.

Part 121 failures are GIANT BLARING RED FLAGS in my view, though.
 
Roger Roger said:
is this just a left wing version of QAnon style conspiracism or is it supported by the evidence? I haven’t paid that much attention since there’s so much other garbage from the administration.
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It's fact she's been involved with him for decades. There may be some speculation involved on how deeply down the rabbit hole she goes. BUT, considering her actions and how vociferously she lies and obfuscates for this regime she likely knows more/is more involved than simply serving as the regime's A.G.
 
Im getting flash backs from school when one person would talk, then another and then another on the other side of the room and before long is just a roar and no one can hear anything distinctly. Someone flicker the lights!
 
Kingairer said:
Im getting flash backs from school when one person would talk, then another and then another on the other side of the room and before long is just a roar and no one can hear anything distinctly. Someone flicker the lights!
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The term for that is the Lombard effect.
 
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