Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
“Okay, Popper, this is how we talk to ramp…”
MTV's The Real World Guy and DEI Hiring
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you don’t, you read into things beyond conservative twitter and realize its a target FOR THE GRADUATION RATE AT THE COMPANY OWNED FLIGHT SCHOOL.
200(?) pilots a year, if they make it through the program, to get into a regional, and god knows how many don’t get dumped out of the program in the subsequent years. And right wing twitter acts like there’s a direct entry captain flow from HBCUs to mainline ground school.
Karnage
I-am-a-pirate. I do not need credentials!
Like the old learn a language tapes, listen and repeat…
A150K
Well-Known Member
My new hire class at AA a year ago was 37ish people...I think 1 or 2 were not white, 0 females. But you know..."DEI! RABBLE RABBLE!!!"
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Since you mentioned “half”, it is easy to infer that you are talking about Scott Kirby. You sound like my 80+ year old father. He has asked me at least a dozen times if United is still using “DEI” for hiring. And every time he asks, I have to tell him that he needs to stop watching Fox News because they are full of •. (Sound familiar?)
Back to Kirby’s comments. This is what he said:
"Over the next decade, United will train 5,000 pilots who will be guaranteed a job with United, after they complete the requirements of the Aviate program – and our plan is for half of them to be women and people of color," said United CEO Scott Kirby. "We're excited that JPMorgan Chase has agreed to support our work to diversify our pilot ranks and create new opportunities for thousands of women and people of color who want to pursue a career in aviation."
Forget the “guaranteed a job” part and focus on the rest. They have a “plan” to “create new opportunities” for people who may not know that they can realistically become a pilot. That’s it. It is all about raising awareness that people from all walks of life can become pilots. As I explained to my dad numerous times, many kids are still shocked to see a woman or person of color at the controls when they visit the flight deck. I would think you, of all people, would understand this. But instead you choose to focus on your Fox News talking points.
ahw01
Well-Known Member
He’s actually talking about himself. Shhh…
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I mean in general. The standard FAA answer is “certificated and qualified.”
But if you are allowed to take a test unlimited amounts of times, you’re one day going to be certificated and qualified. The CA of Colgan and the FO of Atlas (both PF when the accidents occurred) are a prime example of multiple failures throughout their careers, but passed eventually, and are considered “qualified.”
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
So is your argument that DPEs/APDs are pushing unqualified applicants though checkrides to feed a made up narrative?
Both examples you gave, those pilots were qualified. You can retrain to standard, and pass the standard.
. Welcome to AQP bud!
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
I can’t have a serious conversation about the various ways I actually DO think the business is blowing it without some knob on EXXXXXXXXXXXXX taking it and running with it as if I agree with whatever hogwash.
Then again, those in charge (irrespective of their politics or whichever way that wind is blowing) are also not interested in my serious conversation, so I guess I’ll have the pasta and a club soda. Yes, a cup of ice too, thanks.
Except airline pilot radio work is occasionally atrocious…anyway I’ll be driving simulated trains wondering why we don’t have more CPDLC capability.
*taps standing at signal auto text message buttan*
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Pretty sure everyone who has ever crashed a Part 121 airliner was current and qualified in accordance with the Company’s and regulator’s requirements.So is your argument that DPEs/APDs are pushing unqualified applicants though checkrides to feed a made up narrative?
Both examples you gave, those pilots were qualified. You can retrain to standard, and pass the standard.
Welcome to AQP bud!
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
Note also that Scott Kirby rather transparently goes whichever way the wind is blowing, to an extent beyond most airline CEOs in my view. It may not be the most wholesome way to run a large, publicly traded company, but it is likely the most logical and profitable.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
You are 100% correct.
This argument that somebody is unqualified just because they have failed checkrides is insane. Now, do we want to have the conversation that companies should look at checkride failures and maybe not hire because of that? Sure! But that's also been a qualifier for companies since I can remember.
I can say that as a DPE, I receive applicants that have failed a PPL multiple times. My job is to evaluate to the ACS. If they show up that day and meet the standard, they get their PPL. Training and checking isn't a perfect system but to imply this has anything to do with DEI just makes anyone who uses that argument, look like a complete moron.
ahw01
Well-Known Member
All corporate pilots pass checkrides. Its my job to make sure they do.
Autothrust Blue
“If you jump on my shift, that’s just rude, man.”
One of my friends and I always discuss it as “On-ramps, off-ramps and turnouts,” not just for proficiency and training, but for aeromedical issues and life stresses, frankly, too.
guywhoflies
Y'NO WUT IM SAYIN
Exhibit #1: the million dollars donated to Trump’s inauguration.
KLB
Well-Known Member
It's really just people of color and women that will be targeted. Trump is all about numbers. He will push to show his constituents that he has found a large number of people of color and women that are "unqualified" to be pilots. They truly don't care about qualifications. They just care about numbers and appearances.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
I’m under the impression that RTP/RTAG has slowed a lot, possibly to a halt. I also don’t know of any people hired with R-ATP even during the big hiring surge, though I’m sure that there were. Probably just my sample group, as it was quite rare for someone in my community to be eligible to leave active duty and not also have the 1500 hrs or better. But I’d very much imagine R-ATP is a non-starter aside from maybe the regionals. I know the younger active duty guys i work with who are around 1500 hrs haven’t been getting calls. That’s a change from a couple-three-five years ago.