Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
I should save some cattes.
Moxy and 60 A220s
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BigZ
Well-Known Member
Flew with someone who decided that three pumps of cologne a side was a brilliant idea once. In retrospect should have worn an O2 mask, felt like I had a chemical burn in my nostrils.
Rodger Wilco
Well-Known Member
Honestly cologne or heavily scented deodorant should be outlawed on airplanes.
All confined spaces really.
No need to stink up the cockpit and make my head swell shut. Save that stuff for your Jr. High school dance.
All confined spaces really.
No need to stink up the cockpit and make my head swell shut. Save that stuff for your Jr. High school dance.
Rodger Wilco
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Ok everyone here’s s question,
Moxy calls and wants to hire you as direct entry captain, what pay/benefits would it take to get you there?
More pay than mainline because going to a startup is a risk? Or less pay than mainline because of opportunity to be “initial cadre” and of course, the obvious; mainline ain’t calling you?
Let’s hear some numbers.
I’m thinking 130k and 15 days off a month, good commuter policy, I’d go for it.
But hey down to 11 days off a month and idk probably not worth it
Moxy calls and wants to hire you as direct entry captain, what pay/benefits would it take to get you there?
More pay than mainline because going to a startup is a risk? Or less pay than mainline because of opportunity to be “initial cadre” and of course, the obvious; mainline ain’t calling you?
Let’s hear some numbers.
I’m thinking 130k and 15 days off a month, good commuter policy, I’d go for it.
But hey down to 11 days off a month and idk probably not worth it
z987k
Well-Known Member
130 seems awfully low for a 120-140 seater. You're basically talking md80/a319/737-700 ish seats. That's 160 at Allegiant, 190 at Blue&Frontier, 182 at Yellow.
130 is lower than dirtbag ACMI low.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
No union, no go.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
No startup starts with a union.
Really good question. But Neeleman apparently isn't too worried about the answer.
Below is a quote from an interview he gave back a while. Notice what he's most concerned about (and it's not pilot supply):
"So what worries you the most?
Getting the planes."
JetBlue Founder David Neeleman on How New Airline Moxy Will Change the Way We Fly
David Neeleman has worked for or founded six airlines, and also created a software company that developed the first e-ticket.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Even in today’s environment I think a Skybus type operation would get a flurry of resumes paying CAs $120/hr and FOs $80/hr. No shortage of guys who’d want the free type and time to get to a bigger/better place.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Then I think you have the requisite information to deduce my position on taking a job at a startup as a pilot.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
So no airline can start new. Not exactly a capitalistic country then is it? Or you could say that pretty much every airline that has started eventually got ALPA voted in. Except Skywest, they must have something in the water in Utah.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Where did I say the government should stop them from starting up? I just said taking that job is idiotic. Especially in the current hiring environment.
P.S. Companies can voluntarily certify a union right off the bat with their initial cadre.
bimmerphile
Sidestick Wiggler
ALPA tiger team!
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
If I were running a startup I'd almost encourage it. Motivated labor peace and codeterminism, plus a real, established safety infrastructure, versus pissing everyone off post-IPO and dragging it out.
Hey, @Cherokee_Cruiser - does THAT pattern sound familiar?
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
It's a very safe, conservative play not to, for sure.
Still, though, all operations start somewhere, and it's a very speculative play to take the job. I won't look down on someone who does, as long as their pay and compensation are within a reasonable distance of the industry/segment standard, and it may well work out great.
Or it won't, but hey.
If I was still at my regional I'd give it serious thought.
It would be a highly speculative and almost reckless play to go to a startup right now given the hiring environment. If this was the mid-oughts, then that's another story, but we're not in the mid-oughts right now.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Maybe in an ideal world. When I applied to VX in 2011, the rumors online were that any union work on the resume was a kiss of death.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
Well then screw your former management with a 10' wrought iron fence and no lube.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Which just reiterates my view of startups. Hell, let’s just bring back regulation and put an end to this garbage.
Autothrust Blue
"Well, on the Brasilia..."
You must have eaten your Wheaties this morning, Comrade!
