Airdale
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I think this thread should be removed.
Moved out of Calpcapts JS thread
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I think this thread should be removed.
Andrew_VT
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Nah...I actually learned alot from it...
I had no idea you could say 'asshat' without it getting bleeped out
lighten up a bit... the personal attacks need to stop.
Chris_Ford
Well-Known Member
Re: How jumpseating is supposed to work
If:
Then:
American public school education = poor.
Hmm, logic flaw anyone?
Velocipede, I find it particularly interesting that you have a problem with JetBlue undercutting the industry (1820 jobs that weren't there 7 years ago) but see nothing wrong with regionals. If I were you and going to be POed at everyone who has brought down the industry, my list would be something like this:
1) ALPA (we couldn't have signed away scope without them!)
2) AA (B-scales, woo!)
3) Skywest (ASA? Who dey? 90 seat jets are t3h sh1ny!1111)
4) Chapublica America
5) Mesa (see second parenthetical comment about SKW)
6) The rest of your list.
Remember, YOU started the slide. YOUR pilot group signed away the score because you were above flying "tiny" jets. You made your bed, now you must sleep in it.
Sure, jetBlue's payrate is low. But it wouldn't be the first time in the industry that there was a game of low-ball going on. If you want to be the jerk who keeps a guy who has never single-handedly taken food out of your mouth (read: non-scab), feel free to deny him his ride home after a long trip.
If you want to be a real man, you'd do one of two things, however:
1) Sign your real name to these comments, so I can remember it when you try to catch a ride on one of my airplanes (karma's a real kick in the pants), and actually be man enough to admit that this is what you truly think rather than hide behind the anonymity of the internet, or:
2) Be a man, let the guy get the ride home. If you really want to be Mr. High Horse, print out a one page letter that explains your stance on things and give it to him or her for a little light reading on the flight. Thus educating and not being just some grumpy old US Air pilot.
If:
And:
Then:
American public school education = poor.
Hmm, logic flaw anyone?
Velocipede, I find it particularly interesting that you have a problem with JetBlue undercutting the industry (1820 jobs that weren't there 7 years ago) but see nothing wrong with regionals. If I were you and going to be POed at everyone who has brought down the industry, my list would be something like this:
1) ALPA (we couldn't have signed away scope without them!)
2) AA (B-scales, woo!)
3) Skywest (ASA? Who dey? 90 seat jets are t3h sh1ny!1111)
4) Chapublica America
5) Mesa (see second parenthetical comment about SKW)
6) The rest of your list.
Remember, YOU started the slide. YOUR pilot group signed away the score because you were above flying "tiny" jets. You made your bed, now you must sleep in it.
Sure, jetBlue's payrate is low. But it wouldn't be the first time in the industry that there was a game of low-ball going on. If you want to be the jerk who keeps a guy who has never single-handedly taken food out of your mouth (read: non-scab), feel free to deny him his ride home after a long trip.
If you want to be a real man, you'd do one of two things, however:
1) Sign your real name to these comments, so I can remember it when you try to catch a ride on one of my airplanes (karma's a real kick in the pants), and actually be man enough to admit that this is what you truly think rather than hide behind the anonymity of the internet, or:
2) Be a man, let the guy get the ride home. If you really want to be Mr. High Horse, print out a one page letter that explains your stance on things and give it to him or her for a little light reading on the flight. Thus educating and not being just some grumpy old US Air pilot.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Re: How jumpseating is supposed to work
This is where you're wrong.
Regionals are flying mainline routes, on mainline aircraft. This is a very serious problem with mainline pilots as I see things. You guys think that the regionals don't affect your world, but you couldn't be more wrong. You guys thought you'd just give the little jets to the regionals because you didn't want to fly them, and now they're flying on routes that used to be serviced by 737's, F100's and DC-9's. When a route used to pay $100 an hour to the FO, now it pays $35 an hour.
If you guys would open your eyes to the fact that the industry is crumbling from beneath you then maybe you'd understand why some of us are so concerned about where the regionals are going. Soon it'll be your job, and you'll never see it coming because you don't think that CHQ is in the same league as you.
I've got some news for ya buddy, they're flying mainline sized aircraft for regional rates, and it'll be your job soon enough...
This is where you're wrong.
Regionals are flying mainline routes, on mainline aircraft. This is a very serious problem with mainline pilots as I see things. You guys think that the regionals don't affect your world, but you couldn't be more wrong. You guys thought you'd just give the little jets to the regionals because you didn't want to fly them, and now they're flying on routes that used to be serviced by 737's, F100's and DC-9's. When a route used to pay $100 an hour to the FO, now it pays $35 an hour.
If you guys would open your eyes to the fact that the industry is crumbling from beneath you then maybe you'd understand why some of us are so concerned about where the regionals are going. Soon it'll be your job, and you'll never see it coming because you don't think that CHQ is in the same league as you.
I've got some news for ya buddy, they're flying mainline sized aircraft for regional rates, and it'll be your job soon enough...
Velocipede
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Very true.
All jumpseats are issued at Captain's discretion.
No, because all jumpseats are issued at Captain's discretion.
That would be his call to make. Reciprocal agreements are made Company to Company. Regardless, all jumpseats are issued at Captain's discretion.
Get it? Got it? Good.
Velocipede
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Velocipede
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Disagree with the content? Censor! That's the answer!
Velocipede
New Member
If he's a product of American public school education, its not an insult, merely a statement of fact...
Velocipede
New Member
Re: How jumpseating is supposed to work
Chris,
The "can't read good" was sarcasm. I'd use the cutesy little tag, but I didn't want to water down the irony. Too bad you obviously missed it.
Chris,
The "can't read good" was sarcasm. I'd use the cutesy little tag, but I didn't want to water down the irony. Too bad you obviously missed it.
Chris_Ford
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Re: How jumpseating is supposed to work
That's fine. (sic) would've been a nice grammatically correct addition, but I'm only a byproduct of American public schooling. I take it that the "your" was intentional as well, right?
I also appreciate you pointing out the minutiae rather than addressing the meat and potatoes of the post.
That's fine. (sic) would've been a nice grammatically correct addition, but I'm only a byproduct of American public schooling. I take it that the "your" was intentional as well, right?
I also appreciate you pointing out the minutiae rather than addressing the meat and potatoes of the post.
Fins Up
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If you can get him to answer this question I'll buy you a beer. He's never had the guts to say so.
BTW V, since you were so eager in another thread to wish that some of the jetBlue pilots lose there jobs, let me ask you this. How are your negotiations going? I feel bad for even a guy like you considering how they will most likely turn out.
Airdale
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Please, I've got better things to do then argue with you on the internet over spelling errors.
You more like the product that results when you eat cheerios someone else pissed in. Get off your high horse. You're no better then the rest of us.
So why not grow a pair and answer the question. Who do you work for? Disgruntled FO or just a guy with high horse Captain?
Velocipede
New Member
My airline isn't germane to the debate. I don't care who you work for, either. BTW, thanks for the gratuitous insult. Since you're a member of the "majority" opinion, I doubt you'll be nicked for it.
Of course, I really don't expect much support from the rank and file over here, considering most of you are trying to make your way up the ladder.
Believe me, when you get here, you'll find out what it feels like when your pay is slashed more than $40 an hour or you lose your A plan (like DAL/AAA/UAL did) because some pudknockers lowered the bar for the entire industry.
Champcar
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Thats a load of BS. Those concessions where negotiated and agreed to by YOUR union to help keep airlines afloat.
Velocipede
New Member
You don't understand and/or didn't follow the whole bankruptcy court thing did you?
Fins Up
Well-Known Member
Exactly. As I recall is was a union airline that started the whole B-plan thing anyway. But it's not about unions right? It's about whatever you feel it's about at that particular moment in time.
Chris_Ford
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Please please please please please respond to my earlier post since you feel this way...
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