CrippleHawk
Well-Known Member
I feel for you pilot guys. It's a pity that it passed.
Mesa TA passes...
- Thread starter CamYZ125
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chrisdahut1
Well-Known Member
Let me get this straight....no pay raises AND a transition to a 12 month bidding system?
I'm not sure what this will do to min. guarantee, but assuming it remained the same, aren't you losing almost a whole month's pay check?
The increase in days off per bidding period for reserve pilots is also a sham of a "benefit" since the number of bidding periods per year has gone from 13 to 12.
Bad times or not, this contract looks like an absolute disgrace. Did actual negotiations take place, or did JO single handedly write this turd of a TA? It's hard to tell.
I'm not sure what this will do to min. guarantee, but assuming it remained the same, aren't you losing almost a whole month's pay check?
The increase in days off per bidding period for reserve pilots is also a sham of a "benefit" since the number of bidding periods per year has gone from 13 to 12.
Bad times or not, this contract looks like an absolute disgrace. Did actual negotiations take place, or did JO single handedly write this turd of a TA? It's hard to tell.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Yes, minimum guarantee increased. If you do the math we lose like 0.04 hours a year. Still a concession!
CamYZ125
Well-Known Member
That's what we have now in our current contract though!
I still can't believe it passed.. and how close it was. I thought for sure it would be voted down... Ahhh well, back to the table in 21 months
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
What pisses me off the most is that now other management is going to plop our contract on the table in their negotiations. Pattern bargaining my ass!
SoCalAprch
Well-Known Member
Exactly.
I can't believe this thing passed. I have a buddy who is an FO at freedom and he said that there is no way that this POS TA would go through. I don't know who the hell would have said yes. There is nothing good in there except for the more days off for reserves and that has to be a pretty small percentage of the whole pilot group that actually will benifit from this.
inside0ut
Well-Known Member
And when they realize how much block or better is gonna cost them, and paying line guarantee....watch how quick they say "Oh, PBS isnt working. Were getting rid of it."
And *poof* there goes every *ahem*decent thing in the contract.....
Sheesh...those payrates make me sad. I would still like to know where this contract would be "industry leading".... maybe China?
And *poof* there goes every *ahem*decent thing in the contract.....
Sheesh...those payrates make me sad. I would still like to know where this contract would be "industry leading".... maybe China?
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Sad. Just sad. And so close, too.
JumpWake
Well-Known Member
Wow....what a shame. How in good conscience could the 51% vote for NO pay raises?!
I did overhear a pretty heated arguement in the ORD crew room a few weeks ago. One lady was of the mindset to try to get something, anything before Mesa folds...but the other guy wanted to get what they wanted, and not just settle...is that what happened here?
And where the hell were the other 24% of pilots?! You would think (hope) that especially now this TA was one of the most important things to come down the pipe...or should have been at least.
I did overhear a pretty heated arguement in the ORD crew room a few weeks ago. One lady was of the mindset to try to get something, anything before Mesa folds...but the other guy wanted to get what they wanted, and not just settle...is that what happened here?
And where the hell were the other 24% of pilots?! You would think (hope) that especially now this TA was one of the most important things to come down the pipe...or should have been at least.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Already happening. From the negotiators over here, they were looking at higher than ASA rates as a reality before this TA got passed. Now, we're hoping for ASA rates.
Good news is that I did get a rundown on some of the PBS stuff that was more or less agreed upon for us. COMPLETE overhaul of the reserve and removed for OE system. Some other goodies tossed out there, too.
SpiceWeasel
Tre Kronor
C'mon negotiators.... stand your ground. If the company wants us to be like Mesa in contract we can be like Mesa in every facet of our line operations.... just look at the Freedom PoS's. Mesa is a laughing stock to passengers. Just look at the 2000/2001/2002 stickers for "years best regional".... still pasted on .... just barely but peeling off.
stuckingfk
Well-Known Member
People that applied, interviewed, and accepted employment at Mesa knew beforehand that the pay sucked, the contract blew, terrible working conditions, ect.
How does the passing of this TA surprise anyone?
How does the passing of this TA surprise anyone?
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Surprises me b/c I was hoping that the pilots over at Mesa now were willing to take a stand to turn things around. Most of the guys over there weren't there when the last contract was signed. Unfortunately, I guess I was wrong. There's at least a 49% that were willing to stand up, but not enough.
kellwolf
Piece of Trash
Conference call tonight, so the stuff I heard last night might become widely distributed to the pilot group after tonight. I'm not willing to get into too many details until I know it's cool to get the info out for sure, but some of the stuff I heard I was like "Really? The company said 'yes' to that?" Apparently, our next sticking point is gonna be the signing bonus/retro pay.
Soul Brotha'
Off to go do Black guy stuff
Yikes! I know that the MAG pilots can't achieve monumental changes immediately, but guys come on. To the 400 who voted no, sorry it didn't work out.
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
I'm going to make stickers "The Mesa 400" in the same style as 300 the movie.
