Meetup/Retreat

Dacuj said:
Update on the meetup. Finalizing the details but looking at 17 total that are confirmed. Had to condense a bit due to availability of the facility but one day of golf planned followed by an outdoor cookout that evening. After the cookout, I will present some basic info and then we will go into roundtable discussion along with questions.

As you might imagine, the bonuses will be a major topic of the conversation and several have checked that as an item they would like to have discussed. Things are ramping up tremendously. Unlike anything I could have foreseen earlier this year. The amount of new hires needed is just incredible considering the environment we just came out of. More than ever I'm hearing recruits placing heavy, heavy emphasis on getting into the pipeline program and getting that number at Envoy/AA ASAP. Everyone with any sense sees this for what it is. A golden opportunity to get hired at the largest major airline in the world with fantastic career options.

I was chatting with one recruit on the phone recently and he was absolutely floored about a fellow student at his pipeline university who turned down Envoy and went to Skywest. He said he couldn't figure it out until another student that was tight with this individual pointed out that the pilot that went to Skywest had indeed applied at Envoy right out of the gate in the pipeline process but was rejected because of background issues. I suppose the pilot had maintained the facade that he didn't want AA at all when in fact he indeed did everything he could to get that number here. Embarrassment may have played an issue in him stating he didn't want Envoy/AA from the beginning.
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Sounds like the "golden opportunity" will be a shower.
 
Oh look American Airlines Pilots and Flight Attendants are getting ready picket over bad pay and working conditions.

www.dispatch.com

American Airlines pilots plan to picket airports over fatigue and dropped hotels

The Allied Pilots Association could be joining pilots at Southwest Airlines this fall in the informational demonstrations as the commercial aviation industry has failed to smoothly return to flying following the COVID-19 pandemic.
www.dispatch.com

www.reuters.com

American Airlines pilots' union to picket over fatigue, overscheduling

The labor union representing American Airlines pilots said it will begin informational picketing in coming weeks at the carrier's major hubs to protest their work schedule, fatigue, and lack of adequate accommodation over the summer.
www.reuters.com www.reuters.com

At this point I’d rather go to SKW or RPA.
 
BigZ said:
Stats don't support that.
Unless the said skywest pilot had military flying background, only something like 2% of hires were off the street and not military, and half of them were corporate.
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Anecdotal….getting hired into AA according to @Dacuj is the same as getting hired at envoy…I’m being facetious
 
SFCC/UND said:
My question would be why bonus? Why not raise the hourly pay?
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The bonus program seems to be designed to be "golden handcuffs"- you don't receive the full amount until you've stayed at Envoy as long as possible, and the upgrade and sign on bonuses can be clawed back if you leave within a certain amount of time. Hourly pay can't be clawed back (or at least if it can, the legal process is more difficult). So on paper it's more effective at stopping captains from leaving than increasing hourly rates, though I wonder how many would really turn down an offer from another major to keep the bonus money.
 
Yakob said:
The bonus program seems to be designed to be "golden handcuffs"- you don't receive the full amount until you've stayed at Envoy as long as possible, and the upgrade and sign on bonuses can be clawed back if you leave within a certain amount of time. Hourly pay can't be clawed back (or at least if it can, the legal process is more difficult). So on paper it's more effective at stopping captains from leaving than increasing hourly rates, though I wonder how many would really turn down an offer from another major to keep the bonus money.
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This is pretty much the way stock options and RSUs work at private companies. You get a grant amount that vests over time. Leave before your time us up and you lose what's not vested.
 
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