Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Not really. Bring on the muskets and shotguns.
Man in Zorro Costume Detained Ahead of Chaotic Night at LAX
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Not really. Bring on the muskets and shotguns.
knot4u
Repeat Offender
As far as I know, and the examples I gave in my post, a Ruger Mini 15/Mini 30, and some models of Springfield M1As can and will continue to be eligible for purchase new without any of the "evil" features, hence the term "featureless", and won't require registration. The laws makes no sense to me, I can't imagine that an AR15 would be any less deadly than an M1A in the wrong hands, lever action rifles are also not going to be affected, I'm trying to save up for a Big Horn Model 89 carbine, an 18" barreled lever action rifle chambered in 500S&W that holds seven rounds, I would guess that it holds a heck of a lot more potential energy than a ten round AR but it looks like a cowboy gun so it can't be dangerous, right?
bucksmith
Did you lock the doors?
I'm going to stick with the age old defense of lots of guns. If a sociopath wants to do harm, which law in particuliar would prevent him or her from doing harm? I understand the guy stealing his law abiding mothers gun, but if we put the genie back in the bottle and made all guns vanish, would he have still done harm? Could he have killed just as many with a Bowie knife, since none of the teachers (I assume) were armed? (Nor would they be if we made his mothers gun disappear with the rest?)
I've yet to hear a reasonable response to this point. None of your points make sense (with respect) unless we could make all the guns (except the safe ones from California) disappear.
So, yes, in the mean time, the answer to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
What's the average response time of your local police department? How many small towns in California don't even have a police department?
And I'm not even touching the most prominent arguement, the INTENT of the founding fathers when writing EVERY word of the bill of rights.
But I'll leave that alone because I realize most of the left believes that to be an antiquated document.
It's like God, the Constitution and Santa clause are all in the same basket, I know. (Sorry, small jab at the end there, couldn't help it)
And believe it or not, I always appreciate your input, please continue. Or at least until the lock!
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
Depending on the version both the Mini 15 and the Mini 30 could be in violation. Both are semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and in both cases depending on the version you get will be in violation of the 1-8 "ands" You need to remember the other parts under Penal Code §12276.1. This isn't just one single law you have to be in compliance with. Depending on the lever action you get you might still find yourself under the required 30 inches of overall length. I have one in 45LC that is well under 30 inches.
You are probably ok with the Springfield though. But who wants to use a M1A for home defense? And what will your neighbors think when a 30.06 goes through the bad guy, then through 2 layers of drywall, and into the neighboring apartment dining room while the family is eating supper.
bucksmith
Did you lock the doors?
You probably won't get too many rounds off into your neighbors house because the bad guy will proably have a 30 round clip in his collapsible stock ak.
By the way, have you seen these thing for less than $400 lately? Wowsers, I gotta get some money together quick!
Bob Ridpath
Pit Bull love
While I understand your point, who really cares if, after a home invasion, your family still lives, and there is a lesser consequence to your choice?
There is spackle for the neighbor's wall.
bucksmith
Did you lock the doors?
There's a big problem with that statement. We have the luxury of sitting around and talking about it before it ever happens, God forbid. We realize, if the day ever came, when the dust settled, you'd be hauled off to jail and unable to provide for that family you just saved. I don't argue with your point, but I believe the major consensus has settled on the lunacy of carting me off to jail after I just removed a bad guy because I got a sick deal on a collapsible stock that makes it easier to wield around the corners of my house...
av8tr1
"Never tell me the odds!"
I would rather limit the holes I create to just the bad guys.
JetDoc
Pit Bull Wrangler
The result of the the "assault " weapons bans in New York and Connecticut. California will follow suit, myself included. I will not comply.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi...-register-their-assault-weapons/#515ec2e7bdf2
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frankmi...-register-their-assault-weapons/#515ec2e7bdf2
knot4u
Repeat Offender
I'm not trying to argue with you, my point was both of the Rugers and the M1A will be available in versions that are compliant with the new laws and won't require registration. I think the laws stink, so I went and signed the petitions, but I will grudgingly register my AR next year because I don't want a felony on my record and I don't want to just hide it in my safe. I agree an M1A or either of the Rugers would probably not be the best choice for home defense. Unfortunately if I want to continue to enjoy this hobby I have to play by the rules or I probably won't be able to play at all, and as I said before the restrictions on ammo actually concern me more because with no bullets all you have is a poorly designed stick.
texas_pilot
Well-Known Member
My 2001 Freightliner truck met all regs on its mfg date- yet California Air Resources Board dictates it illegal in Cali? I tore their page out of my map book- My truck won't bring them any goods, nor take their &$/! Anywhere again
Remember when UPS had to take all their diesel trucks out of California, because CARB made them illegal? IIRC, that was 2010'ish. For a few years, all their was was gas Brown vans, no diesels. And they are still a mostly gas fleet, or at least the ones that roll through my neighborhood are at least.
We also have a Dem-on-Dem for the senate. Shows you how "balanced" this state has become. It's a friggen joke.
Dammit, you beat me to it!
But, of course, you WERE standing when you wrote this post, right? RIEEEEGHT?!
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Dammit, you beat me to it!
But, of course, you WERE standing when you wrote this post, right? RIEEEEGHT?!
LAV? Maybe this thread can head there...sometime soon maybe?
Bandit_Driver
Gold Member
UPS should have just pulled out of Cali period.....
What next, Ban Jetfuel aircraft in Cali...
amorris311
Well-Known Member
That would make great business sense in the worlds 6th largest economy and largest state by population in the USA.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
HOW ELSE WILL WE STOP TEH CHEMTRAILZ!
JordanD
Chinese Food Enthusiast
Lol.... a thread about an incident turns into a gun argument (what a friggin shock, since apparently people want to turn this into arguingaboutguns.com), and the other half turns into bitching about how much California sucks. Which is funny, considering how many of the same people complaining think the federal government should be hands off and the states should decide how they govern themselves. You know, except when they do stuff you don't like.
JustinS
Well-Known Member
As far as I know the Zorro guy and the mass panic were not related to each other. No one knows where the "loud noises" came from. They're doing a lot of construction in terminal 7/8, and it wouldn't surprise me if some loud construction noises startled someone and they didn't stop to think where the noise was coming from. I heard that the panic started in terminal 8 near gate 80 and spread like wild fire as security propagated the issue to other terminals.
