Man Dragged off United Flight

Hacker15e said:
Correct, I haven't.

I, however, am not the one complaining that those contracts are somehow unethical, immoral, or should be illegal. I know what risk I take in signing such a contract, and I am responsible for my actions as such. I, as a free man, engaged in signing those agreements and contracts of my own freewill.
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Did you really do so freely? I mean - if you "have" to get from Portland to Washington, DC tomorrow afternoon or face a penalty (either a legal penalty or a financial one) did you really do so freely? No. This sort of freedom of "I engaged in signing those agreements" are a sham - it's like when you tell your kids, "you can wear your sweater or you can wear your jacket" not wearing something warm was never an option they were free to choose without a fight. That's not freedom, that's a set of choices, most of which render dramatically less utility - call it a choice if you will, but it's not really, it's a "limited" choice.

If you have to go to a doctors appointment across the country to see a specialist, do you really have a choice? I mean, I guess, "be so principled about airfare I die" is technically a choice, but it's not really a choice. You're a lot less "free" than you think you are. You're free to buy kirkland brand batteries or energizer brand - shop at Costco or Sams, vote D or R, etc. Most of these aren't really choices - they're the illusion of choices.
 
srn121 said:
Delta's my favorite of the big three by far. They're trying to make flying better and I appreciate them offering meals on long national flights, meanwhile United's offering an even cheaper ticket ("Basic Economy, no full size carry on allowed) and American's not sure whether it should follow United or Delta's lead (hopefully Delta's). If I'm traveling by myself I'll almost always book Southwest for the flexibility they offer in case I decided to extend or shorten my stay or travel at a different date.
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Oh good, glad to see United becoming the new, "Alligiant Spirit"! ;)
 
srn121 said:
Delta's my favorite of the big three by far. They're trying to make flying better and I appreciate them offering meals on long national flights, meanwhile United's offering an even cheaper ticket ("Basic Economy, no full size carry on allowed) and American's not sure whether it should follow United or Delta's lead (hopefully Delta's). If I'm traveling by myself I'll almost always book Southwest for the flexibility they offer in case I decided to extend or shorten my stay or travel at a different date.
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Delta was the first to offer Basic Economy in response to the ULCC's.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/onboard-experience/basic-economy.html

But we don't want facts to get in the way of a good brainwashing.
 
wheelsup said:
Delta was the first to offer Basic Economy in response to the ULCC's.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/traveling-with-us/onboard-experience/basic-economy.html

But we don't want facts to get in the way of a good brainwashing.
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Facts are still a big deal as Delta might have been the first, but they at least offer overhead bin space which basic economy on United and American don't. While I'm not thrilled about the basic economy Delta offers it's not terrible. https://skift.com/2017/01/24/comparing-basic-economy-fares-among-american-delta-and-united/


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srn121 said:
Facts are still a big deal as Delta might have been the first, but they at least offer overhead bin space which basic economy on United and American don't. While I'm not thrilled about the basic economy Delta offers it's not terrible. https://skift.com/2017/01/24/comparing-basic-economy-fares-among-american-delta-and-united/


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Delta may include it but you're not going to have access. You'd board last and by then all overhead bins are taken. Just a marketing gimmick.
 
wheelsup said:
Delta may include it but you're not going to have access. You'd board last and by then all overhead bins are taken. Just a marketing gimmick.
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I've boarded near the end a few times before and never had a problem finding space in an overheard bin somewhere maybe not near where I was sitting, but while United charges you 25 plus the baggage fee to check it, it would be free with Delta if they had to.
 
srn121 said:
I've boarded near the end a few times before and never had a problem finding space in an overheard bin somewhere maybe not near where I was sitting, but while United charges you 25 plus the baggage fee to check it, it would be free with Delta if they had to.
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Sweet
 
av8tr1 said:
So he's done some bad things (criminal) that makes it ok for United to treat a paying pax this way? What does his criminal past have to do with how he is treated as a paying pax? Other than having terrorists ties his past shouldn't have any bearing on his treatment as a paying customer.
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No, but it speaks to a pattern of behavior. If they had just gone in and not spoke with him for a few minutes, and told him "you'll be removed", I'd fully support your POV here. But that's not what happened. He was given ample opportunity to remove himself, he didn't. So he was removed. He shouldn't have been ripped from his seat like that, but he was, and now we're here.
 
RDoug said:
Can you show me anything remotely comparable in any other business in which such an unsigned "contract" has been found enforceable?
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WHITE BOOK!
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But that wasn't a business, oh wait yes it was, no, no, no it wasn't. Ah the good old days in the FAA.

Much happier in Iraq, I have absolutely no expectations of being treated well once in country though I'm sometimes suprised, but that 14 hr QTR biz class sure is a treat.
 
jtrain609 said:
Yes, I could.
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One in which the business can, at its sole discretion and even when the reasons are of its own creation, renege on the deal and withhold the product or service for which payment has already been received? And retain the payment received through vouchers with an expiration date rather than offer a full refund? I'd like to see that one.
 
RDoug said:
One in which the business can, at its sole discretion and even when the reasons are of its own creation, renege on the deal and withhold the product or service for which payment has already been received? And retain the payment received through vouchers with an expiration date rather than offer a full refund? I'd like to see that one.
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Sure, a contract of carriage.
 
RDoug said:
Uh . . . which was . . . my point . . . I thought.
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It's not, I don't think.

I think what you're trying to articulate is that contracts of carriage are contracts of adhesion and thus unenforceable because they're unconscionable.
 
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