Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

"Goodnight Malaysia three seven zero!"

"All right, Roger that!"
"All right, Goodnight!"

I have a question, and it is not the last words from the cockpit - but who where they talking to.... ???

The airspace appears to be Singapore Airspace and not Malaysian Airspace... the flight would have crossed into Singapore Airspace some ten minutes earlier and have crossed Airway M904 a few minutes later before approaching IGARI where it "disappeared". With my very limited knowledge of international ATC I would have imagined that the flight would have been handed over to Singapore before heing handed over to Ho Chi Minh City.
(It might also explain the earlier "unusual" reporting the aircraft height at 1:07 as I saw mentioned somewhere - reporting height and position at a handover).


Plane Diverted!!!

Well it seems that it was, probably by reprogramming the Flight Management System.... but then what???

OK, firstly, the plane changed course onto a heading of 040 - FlightRadar24 reported that the last two received ABS-D data messages showed a heading of 040 - then we are dependent upon the Military Radar - the question is what happens when the FMS runs out of instructions?
I am trying to work out or understand why the plane ended up going Southwards.
Also, if some systems were disabled by a catastrophic event or fire if it possible that the FMS was unable to determine it's location?


No Mobile Phones...???

I read somewhere that at least 1% of passengers do not switch their phones into "flight mode". We know (I think) that making a phone call from a mobile in a fast moving plane may be difficult or impossible as the phone gets handed from relay mast to relay mast - but this would not stop a phone checking in and out as a low flying plane passed - or would it? It might help show that the object that was tracked was actually the missing aircraft.

Ping Latency...!!!

With the satellite at 22,500 miles and the radio waves travelling at 186,000 miles a second one could expect a round trip time of approx .241935 seconds... if the plane was 1000 miles away from being directly underneath the satellite the time to be 0.242174 seconds for the round trip (I have not allowed for earth curvature or aircraft height - but it illustrates the level of accuracy that is required to locate a plane based upon latency - roughly 500 miles per 0.0001 seconds.

On a last note...!!!

The climbing to 43,000 for 23 minutes and then descent to 12,000 (if correct) would be consistent with attempting to extinguish an on board fire by depressurising the aircraft for as long as passenger oxygen was available, then descending so they can recover.. the wandering afterwards would be consistent poisoning from the fumes and maybe the aircraft following it's last programmed track - which it is interesting to note that an approximate reverse track from IGARI to Kuala Lumper would, if flown to fuel exhaustion, land the aircraft slap bang in the middle of the current search zone.

Am not suggesting I any of this happened - I am curious to know if anyone can add any useful information - or simply tell me that I must be wrong as they know better - as I am sure some do.... but if all else fails, I blame the Airplane Repo man!
 
It's being reported in multiple U.K. outlets including the BBC that Malaysia just corrected their account of the final transmission from MAS370. The revised account reads, "Goodnight Malaysian three seven zero."

We are now three+ weeks into this thing, and the Malaysian government can't even get the ATC transcript correct. This has to be by far the most incompetent air incident investigation ever run worldwide.

Un-Frappin' Believable!
 
You looking at high Enroute or low Enroute maps?

Jurisdiction changes depending

Not sure in this case, but it can be drastically different
 
RDoug said:
It's being reported in multiple U.K. outlets including the BBC that Malaysia just corrected their account of the final transmission from MAS370. The revised account reads, "Goodnight Malaysian three seven zero."

We are now three+ weeks into this thing, and the Malaysian government can't even get the ATC transcript correct. This has to be by far the most incompetent air incident investigation ever run worldwide.

Un-Frappin' Believable!
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Way back on page 46 we were taking about this.... was it "All right, Good night" or "All right, Roger that" as both were floating around back then... what I love is the sources... unnamed... close to the investigation... not authorised to speak... and I saw the following quote: "“All right, roger that” or “all right, good night”, would have been the last words coming from MH370 in response to a radio message from Malaysian control tower." (source: http://www.foxcrawl.com/2014/03/12/...a-airlines-flight-mh370-all-right-roger-that/ ) note the words ""would have been" - that got lost in the overall reporting... but I cannot find the original source (but not looked too hard) - sounds to me like someone casually said something like "they would have said something like...." and that was being quoted as fact!!!

Puts the exclusive http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...l-54-minutes-of-communication-from-MH370.html into context - also it reports it as a Mandarin translation..... scratches head at that...!!!! Suppose that is why I asked - who were they talking to Malaysian or Singapore ATC.
 
Who is that guy?
Here's a cool story!

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STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Mitchell Casado doesn't like to see himself on camera, but he is a natural on-air
  • Fascination with flying became obsession when he got a toy plane as a gift at age 7
  • He wasn't good at math & suffered stint of homelessness en route to becoming pilot
  • He's married to his childhood sweetheart, and he often worries about his pet dwarf rabbits
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/31/world...-mitchell-casado-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Editor's note: CNN's Martin Savidge has spent the time equivalent of about 10 Sydney-to-Atlanta flights with instructor Mitchell Casado in the confines of a 777 cockpit simulator outside Toronto.

Toronto (CNN) -- The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has propelled Mitchell Casado into the realm of aviation analyst celebrity -- and no one is more uncomfortable with that than Casado.

I found him incredibly shy and modest, even by Canadian standards. Casado never wanted to be on camera. In fact, he was horrified when we at CNN suggested it. At 6-foot-2 and "gargantuan," as he puts it, he hates to see himself on camera.

Yet in the cockpit he transforms, and it's clear he has a gift that exceeds controlling a jumbo jet. His eyes light up, and his soft-spoken voice rises in level and confidence. You not only know he can fly, but he makes you want to fly, too.

On TV, he's a natural and can take the most complex pieces of aircraft equipment or flight scenario and explain it in a way that's clear and simple. He shuns jargon and acronyms and, unlike other aviation experts, uses words we already know.

He's a pilot for the people.

But in a profession known for precision, he suffers for his everyman speak and appearance. His hipster facial hair and casual cockpit attire have earned him critiques from anonymous "pilots" sniping from online. The negative comments can cut him to the bone.

The reality is he dresses not for corporate aviation but comfort, and his journey to becoming a pilot and aviation analyst is far from typical.

Casado, 33, grew up in a tough, blue-collar suburb of Toronto. His father came from Central America, his mother from Europe.

At age 7, a gift of a toy plane set him on the route where we find him today.

Fascination about flying turned into obsession -- his word -- for all things aviation. At school he'd get in trouble for reading flying magazines tucked inside his textbooks. He wasn't good at math, but his sights set firmly on the goal of flying one day, he studied hard to master calculus and geometry.

Because of a birth defect, he suffered almost constant, even violent bullying, and long before he started navigating jets through the air, he was plotting alternate courses home from school to avoid heckling classmates.

After high school, he joined the Army to serve his country, and only after that did he turn his focus to flying.

His parents helped him get his private pilot's license, but a commercial license proved much more expensive because it required flight school and significant flying time.

He took any job he could to earn money, working in kitchens and fast food restaurants. His apartment, for a time, went without furniture.

When he eventually had $14,000, he headed to a flight school in western Canada, thrilled to finally be on his way. But the dream turned to disaster when the flight school went bust, taking his money with it.

That's when the darkest days of his life began.

Homeless, he slept on park benches and in stairways until finally ending up at the place he knew best, the airport.

By day, he'd sit in the terminals and at night, he'd sleep in the bathrooms. In the oversized handicapped stalls he would use a roll of masking tape to mark out runways and walk around them practicing approaches.

He used a toilet seat for chair flying, imagining the controls and switches in his mind.

Eventually he made it back home and began working once more to earn money to fly. It would take him years before that final check flight.

When the pilot turned and told him he had passed, Mitchell couldn't help it: he cried. His dream had come true.

By 2007 he was ranked in the top 10 of Canada's amateur pilots. Today, in addition to his multi-engine license, he has earned his seaplane rating, flown cargo routes and flown as a "bush pilot" in Canada and elsewhere. When he's not in the air, he works as a simulator instructor on Boeing 737s and 777s.

And, of course, there's his new-found television talent. For his on air role, I have pushed him to do in the simulator what he would never attempt as a professional pilot. Hence, he has probably virtually crashed a 777 more than anyone. That's my fault.

On TV we have had him fly a 777 at 5,000 feet in the Himalayas. I nearly lost my dinner on that one with all the banking and yanking.

Then there was the time I made him attempt to land the plane on a ridiculously small runway on a remote island. Just to make it harder, I told him to make the weather stormy. He had one shot live on TV with countless people watching.

To his credit, he landed with room to spare but was so exhausted from the attempt he couldn't answer our anchor's questions afterward. A few days later he got a message from someone at the Federal Aviation Administration congratulating him on the landing.

The other day we made him simulate a scenario where the fuel runs out on a 777. It was awful. It was real. We both sat in silence for a minute when it was over. He apologized and left the cockpit.

I had become caught up in the "gee-whiz-what-if" angle of the simulator. Casado had not. We may have flown in the virtual world, but as a pilot, Casado knew the heartbreaking loss for 239 passengers' families is real.

Casado also has a life outside the cockpit. He's married to his childhood sweetheart, Deborah, whom he married three years ago.

When the hours go long -- and they do -- he worries about Buddy and Snowflake, his two Netherlands dwarf rabbits waiting at home. Buddy's a rescue.

He speaks to young people, often cautioning those who might be considering flying as a career that the airline industry isn't what it once was. The high-octane, high-paying days of commercial aviation are now a business.

There's more he wants to do in life, but for now Casado spends most days flying and instructing in the 777 simulator where I met him.

What's unique about the place is it's open to the public, so if you've ever fantasized about taking off from Los Angeles International or landing at Toronto Pearson, or even just doing touch-and-gos at Paris' Charles de Gaulle, Casado is the guy you want in the left seat.

He knows a thing or two about dreams, what it takes to make them come true and how sometimes there can be a turbulence along the way.
 
fholbert said:
Who is that guy?
Here's a cool story!

6p3w1t.png


STORY HIGHLIGHTS
  • Mitchell Casado doesn't like to see himself on camera, but he is a natural on-air
  • Fascination with flying became obsession when he got a toy plane as a gift at age 7
  • He wasn't good at math & suffered stint of homelessness en route to becoming pilot
  • He's married to his childhood sweetheart, and he often worries about his pet dwarf rabbits
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/31/world...-mitchell-casado-profile/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Editor's note: CNN's Martin Savidge has spent the time equivalent of about 10 Sydney-to-Atlanta flights with instructor Mitchell Casado in the confines of a 777 cockpit simulator outside Toronto.

Toronto (CNN) -- The disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 has propelled Mitchell Casado into the realm of aviation analyst celebrity -- and no one is more uncomfortable with that than Casado.

I found him incredibly shy and modest, even by Canadian standards. Casado never wanted to be on camera. In fact, he was horrified when we at CNN suggested it. At 6-foot-2 and "gargantuan," as he puts it, he hates to see himself on camera.

Yet in the cockpit he transforms, and it's clear he has a gift that exceeds controlling a jumbo jet. His eyes light up, and his soft-spoken voice rises in level and confidence. You not only know he can fly, but he makes you want to fly, too.

On TV, he's a natural and can take the most complex pieces of aircraft equipment or flight scenario and explain it in a way that's clear and simple. He shuns jargon and acronyms and, unlike other aviation experts, uses words we already know.

He's a pilot for the people.

But in a profession known for precision, he suffers for his everyman speak and appearance. His hipster facial hair and casual cockpit attire have earned him critiques from anonymous "pilots" sniping from online. The negative comments can cut him to the bone.

The reality is he dresses not for corporate aviation but comfort, and his journey to becoming a pilot and aviation analyst is far from typical.

Casado, 33, grew up in a tough, blue-collar suburb of Toronto. His father came from Central America, his mother from Europe.

At age 7, a gift of a toy plane set him on the route where we find him today.

Fascination about flying turned into obsession -- his word -- for all things aviation. At school he'd get in trouble for reading flying magazines tucked inside his textbooks. He wasn't good at math, but his sights set firmly on the goal of flying one day, he studied hard to master calculus and geometry.

Because of a birth defect, he suffered almost constant, even violent bullying, and long before he started navigating jets through the air, he was plotting alternate courses home from school to avoid heckling classmates.

After high school, he joined the Army to serve his country, and only after that did he turn his focus to flying.

His parents helped him get his private pilot's license, but a commercial license proved much more expensive because it required flight school and significant flying time.

He took any job he could to earn money, working in kitchens and fast food restaurants. His apartment, for a time, went without furniture.

When he eventually had $14,000, he headed to a flight school in western Canada, thrilled to finally be on his way. But the dream turned to disaster when the flight school went bust, taking his money with it.

That's when the darkest days of his life began.

Homeless, he slept on park benches and in stairways until finally ending up at the place he knew best, the airport.

By day, he'd sit in the terminals and at night, he'd sleep in the bathrooms. In the oversized handicapped stalls he would use a roll of masking tape to mark out runways and walk around them practicing approaches.

He used a toilet seat for chair flying, imagining the controls and switches in his mind.

Eventually he made it back home and began working once more to earn money to fly. It would take him years before that final check flight.

When the pilot turned and told him he had passed, Mitchell couldn't help it: he cried. His dream had come true.

By 2007 he was ranked in the top 10 of Canada's amateur pilots. Today, in addition to his multi-engine license, he has earned his seaplane rating, flown cargo routes and flown as a "bush pilot" in Canada and elsewhere. When he's not in the air, he works as a simulator instructor on Boeing 737s and 777s.

And, of course, there's his new-found television talent. For his on air role, I have pushed him to do in the simulator what he would never attempt as a professional pilot. Hence, he has probably virtually crashed a 777 more than anyone. That's my fault.

On TV we have had him fly a 777 at 5,000 feet in the Himalayas. I nearly lost my dinner on that one with all the banking and yanking.

Then there was the time I made him attempt to land the plane on a ridiculously small runway on a remote island. Just to make it harder, I told him to make the weather stormy. He had one shot live on TV with countless people watching.

To his credit, he landed with room to spare but was so exhausted from the attempt he couldn't answer our anchor's questions afterward. A few days later he got a message from someone at the Federal Aviation Administration congratulating him on the landing.

The other day we made him simulate a scenario where the fuel runs out on a 777. It was awful. It was real. We both sat in silence for a minute when it was over. He apologized and left the cockpit.

I had become caught up in the "gee-whiz-what-if" angle of the simulator. Casado had not. We may have flown in the virtual world, but as a pilot, Casado knew the heartbreaking loss for 239 passengers' families is real.

Casado also has a life outside the cockpit. He's married to his childhood sweetheart, Deborah, whom he married three years ago.

When the hours go long -- and they do -- he worries about Buddy and Snowflake, his two Netherlands dwarf rabbits waiting at home. Buddy's a rescue.

He speaks to young people, often cautioning those who might be considering flying as a career that the airline industry isn't what it once was. The high-octane, high-paying days of commercial aviation are now a business.

There's more he wants to do in life, but for now Casado spends most days flying and instructing in the 777 simulator where I met him.

What's unique about the place is it's open to the public, so if you've ever fantasized about taking off from Los Angeles International or landing at Toronto Pearson, or even just doing touch-and-gos at Paris' Charles de Gaulle, Casado is the guy you want in the left seat.

He knows a thing or two about dreams, what it takes to make them come true and how sometimes there can be a turbulence along the way.
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Good for Mitchell. Its not him I despise. He was just some dude who was peacefully working when CNN came barging in and paid top dollar. I cant say I blame him. I only hope he gets a bonus for having them booked the sim for as long as they have. I hope he has long and fulfilling career in aviation.

As for Malaysia. They just came out with this report that retracts the earlier "Goodnight" crap? Now, they suddenly realize he actually did answer back with some familiarity. GOODNIGHT...MALAYSIA THREE SEVEN OH! Wow, thats a fail in book. We here in the states had to endure our media driving that into the ground when in actuality, it was a normal response. I wonder what else they are keeping from everyone?
 
SeanD said:
Good for Mitchell. Its not him I despise. He was just some dude who was peacefully working when CNN came barging in and paid top dollar. I cant say I blame him. I only hope he gets a bonus for having them booked the sim for as long as they have. I hope he has long and fulfilling career in aviation.

As for Malaysia. They just came out with this report that retracts the earlier "Goodnight" crap? Now, they suddenly realize he actually did answer back with some familiarity. GOODNIGHT...MALAYSIA THREE SEVEN OH! Wow, thats a fail in book. We here in the states had to endure our media driving that into the ground when in actuality, it was a normal response. I wonder what else they are keeping from everyone?
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Good.... what.... I cannot find any source of the information on video or official release (that I can hear and/or see for myself) where anyone says that the last communication was "All right, Good Night" or "All right, Roger that" - even though I can find loads of media reporting it... I did find one report that said “All right, roger that” or “all right, good night”, would have been the last words coming from MH370 in response to a radio message from Malaysian control tower." (Posted and linked above) - indicating that everything was alright on the flight. I did try to get ATC feeds but the no one seems to be monitoring or recording the frequency they were communication on 132.6

Speculation is that the news media decided to drop the "would have been" in favour of "were" in order to make headlines - but I stand to be corrected if someone can come up with a link showing an OFFICIAL statement stating that the last words were either "All right, roger that" or "All right, Good night" - until then I blame the media and not the Malaysians... sorry to be such a doubting Thomas.

In fact I blame a lot of the confusion on the Media taking leaks from "unofficial sources", "close to the investigation" but "not authorised" to speak about it, not to mention "speculation", and relaying them as facts.
 
fholbert said:
Who is that guy?
Here's a cool story!
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I agree that his individual story is endearing. HOWEVER, I take issue with the fact that he's been propped up as a 777 instructor. He's not. He's not even typed on the 777. He happens to run a non-certified "flight training-type device." It doesn't even fit the certification requirements of an FTD, let alone a simulator. There is a responsibility on the part of CNN to disclose the fact that he is NOT an expert on the 777. I took some biology classes in college, should I be mixing it up as a corespondent on Sanjay Gupta's CNN medical show? Of course not. It would be disingenuous and blatantly dishonest for me to do so. Just as it is for CNN to have Mr. Casado doing what he is doing.

On a much more serious note, I LOVE this twitter feed: Les Abend's Blazer. Perhaps the true voice of reason in this whole freak show.
 
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RDoug said:
It's being reported in multiple U.K. outlets including the BBC that Malaysia just corrected their account of the final transmission from MAS370. The revised account reads, "Goodnight Malaysian three seven zero."

We are now three+ weeks into this thing, and the Malaysian government can't even get the ATC transcript correct. This has to be by far the most incompetent air incident investigation ever run worldwide.

Un-Frappin' Believable!
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I dunno. At this point the conspiracy theorists are sounding more credible than the Malaysians. Which is saying something.
 
obx said:
I agree that his individual story is endearing. HOWEVER, I take issue with the fact that he's been propped up as a 777 instructor. He's not. He's not even typed on the 777. .
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I think the guys done a pretty good Job. Much better than many of the retired airline pilot experts.
 
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