Malaysia Airlines 777 missing

A Life Aloft said:
The guy who wrote a book on AF447?
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No clue.

A lot of my co-workers put out books on all sorts of stuff but I generally don't pay attention.

You have five minutes to capture my interest in the cockpit, at 6 minutes and beyond, you'd better be compelling.

A whole book? Ehh…

You know what I'm talking about! :)
 
Here's my thinking thus far from the latest I've heard.

1. I would think maybe depressurization of some sort and flew into nowhere.

2. if 1 is true then why did they turn off the transponder and keep flying?

number 2 leads me to believe it may have been hijacked and they ran out of fuel perhaps.
 
Crop Duster said:
You must do more than simply peruse.
To find, you must scout and scope; track and run down; inquire and study; frisk, comb, and explore; search high and low; sniff about; frisk, grope, pry, and root; turn upside down and inside out.
Perusal just doesn't indicate the necessary degree of poking into and gouging out your search area.
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Define that word for me, sirrah!

-Fox
 
mrivc211 said:
Here's my thinking thus far from the latest I've heard.

1. I would think maybe depressurization of some sort and flew into nowhere.

2. if 1 is true then why did they turn off the transponder and keep flying?

number 2 leads me to believe it may have been hijacked and they ran out of fuel perhaps.
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Unless the depressurisation was caused by the loss of the SATCOM antenna... and the failure of a few circuits as a result maybe. Yes I know the B777 with the cracks had 14,000 cycles and this one less than 8,000 cycles but it is worth considering - the last ADS-B data showed the aircraft starting a turn from 25 to 58 degrees - continuing on this heading would put the aircraft over the South China Sea, then between Taiwan and the Philippines and then south of Japan where the fuel would be exhausted maybe not coming within 100 miles of land... not saying or suggesting that this happened - but just that it could be one of the scenarios that fits both 1 and 2 above - idle speculation I admit.

We propose to adopt a new airworthiness directive (AD) for certain The Boeing Company Model 777 airplanes. This proposed AD was prompted by a report of cracking in the fuselage skin underneath the satellite communication (SATCOM) antenna adapter.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2013-09-26/html/2013-23456.htm
 
SeanD said:
Nah, I wasnt being sarcastic at all. My first impression was a life raft. Was this in the new area they are focusing on?
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There's no way to know they just give you a map

I doubt it

All of these were taken on March 9th
 
JEP said:
Image found from some crowd-sourcing....


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canadian_atc said:
I hope to hell this isnt a prank or something... thing looks almost completely intact.
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Ghost images turn up like that on Google Earth all the time.
 
Having trouble with this theory...

If they turned off the transponder and ATC lost RADAR contact. Later a primary return flew back across land how do they know it's the aircraft in question?

Without a secondary return how did they know the primary return was at 10,000?

Why for three days did they say the aircraft MAY have turned around. Either it did or didn't.
 
fholbert said:
Having trouble with this theory...

If they turned off the transponder and ATC lost RADAR contact. Later a primary return flew back across land how do they know it's the aircraft in question?

Without a secondary return how did they know the primary return was at 10,000?

Why for three days did they say the aircraft MAY have turned around. Either it did or didn't.
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If you have more than one prime radar source, the software can estimate an altitude, it won't be exact however.

If the prime target was on a constant heading constant speed, that the military estimated at 10,000 feet... that is something any military unit should/would be tracking.
 
canadian_atc said:
If you have more than one prime radar source, the software can estimate an altitude, it won't be exact however.
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Didn't have that in my ATC days. Thanks.

As I understand it they lost RADAR with the 777. An hour or more later (depending on the report) a primary return was picked up heading the other way. What makes them think this was the 777?
 
fholbert said:
Good point. They could find the aircraft and the recordings of the critical time could be overwritten.
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That is exactly why I was asking. My airplane records 2 hours of CVR and 25 hours of FDR. If this thing did in fact keep flying after they lost contact, I would think there is a good chance that the CVR won't have the time of disappearance saved.
 
fholbert said:
Didn't have that in my ATC days. Thanks.

As I understand it they lost RADAR with the 777. An hour or more later (depending on the report) a primary return was picked up heading the other way. What makes them think this was the 777?
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I was thinking the same thing.
 
To All,
Excuse me I'm not suppose to have an opinion?
Is MikeD a God that he cannot be challenged? It i attitude like these that leads to incidents or accidents because junior staff cannot posit a recommendation to senior staff. I thought that thinking was archaic in aviation but apparently it isn't.
This is the information that we are leaving in, where everything is available at fingers' tips Boston bombers were identified after their photos were placed in the media in less than 24 hours, no one can tell me that the Malaysian Authority hasn't been delinquent; I don't care who di guy.
They stated that the two suspects were of African descent initial only to find out that was farthest from the case, nothing has been consistent thus far.
One could understand with AFR 447 it was remote and out of coverage but this juss asinine.

@MikeD no disrespect meant
 
Shane Wiliams said:
To All,
Excuse me I'm not suppose to have an opinion?
Is MikeD a God that he cannot be challenged? It i attitude like these that leads to incidents or accidents because junior staff cannot posit a recommendation to senior staff. I thought that thinking was archaic in aviation but apparently it isn't.
This is the information that we are leaving in, where everything is available at fingers' tips Boston bombers were identified after their photos were placed in the media in less than 24 hours, no one can tell me that the Malaysian Authority hasn't been delinquent; I don't care who di guy.
They stated that the two suspects were of African descent initial only to find out that was farthest from the case, nothing has been consistent thus far.
One could understand with AFR 447 it was remote and out of coverage but this juss asinine.

@MikeD no disrespect meant
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Open Mouth, Change Feet......And what was your aviation background again....?
 
Shane Wiliams said:
To All,
Excuse me I'm not suppose to have an opinion?
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It's not what you are saying, it's how you were coming across when you wrote it.

This is a forum, not a flightdeck. We aren't challenging orders, we're exchanging ideas and information. That's all that was being critiqued.

Water under the bridge.

Insofar as this incident in discussion, still far more questions than any answers; and answers can range from the benign, to the potentially nefarious. All we need is some kind of evidence, of something. And that's the single biggest thing that is missing so far, apart from the plane itself. Everything is on the table still.
 
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