Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
Seriously?
I realize not all of us are the best of the best, but we are Adequate and Senior enough.
Live By The Gouge, Die By The Gouge
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Seriously?
I realize not all of us are the best of the best, but we are Adequate and Senior enough.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Great to hear, actually. I'm elated to have jumped to an incorrect conclusion.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Where in there did I state or imply anything about skill or merit in there?
The comment was strictly about attitude and mentality regarding brotherhood and the spirit of cooperation and helping each other while in a training pipeline.
There are lots of different perspectives on this in the flying world, but the slice of the military flying world I come from is firmly rooted in that mantra, and is an expectation even from the instructors and administrators. I had assumed that was a constant across the professional flying world, but I've been surprised by assumptions and expectations before.
Either way, I'm guessing you didn't see where, only a post or two later (and well before your post), I walked back the statement and admitted I'd made a hasty judgment?
mastermags
Well-Known Member *giggity*
A lot of the questions on this particular test seem to have no correct answers and a lot of the questions of this particular test seem to have two correct answers. You really have to dig deep on some of them.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Okay, since that question generated some interesting discussion, here's another one from that same gouge with, in my opinion, a chaff answer and chaff explanation.
To add fuel to the discussion, I'll leave this diagram which shows the relationship between IAS, TAS, and Mach. In the USAF, we teach this relationship by holding up three fingers in a "W" shape and using the memory aid "In The Mood". ITM is the order, from left to right that the "fingers" are labeled. By holding straight up the finger which speed is held constant, you can derive what the other two speeds will do (increase, decrease).
To add fuel to the discussion, I'll leave this diagram which shows the relationship between IAS, TAS, and Mach. In the USAF, we teach this relationship by holding up three fingers in a "W" shape and using the memory aid "In The Mood". ITM is the order, from left to right that the "fingers" are labeled. By holding straight up the finger which speed is held constant, you can derive what the other two speeds will do (increase, decrease).
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Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
I suppose I understand it at the regional level, especially since that is the jumping-off point into the speed/altitude/jet world for a lot of professional pilots who've until then only operated in GA-type pistons or slower/lower/smaller turbines.
The model the majors (outside of Big D) seem to universally use, which is more based on gauging mentality, decisionmaking, and personality, seem to me as an outsider to be more appropriate at that level of experience and (assumed) knowledge.
Fortunately my time in the .mil has conditioned me to expect hazing as part of the process, and since it is me trying to join the 121 world (not that world joining me), it is part of the price of entry I'm willing to go through.
Seggy
Well-Known Member
I disagree because those are items that can easily be taught during a day of indoc. Regionals should be looking for well rounded folks who will be able to manage a flight when they upgrade along with the other characteristics you mention below.
Yep! Thank God.
There should be no hazing in the 121 world. What you are studying for is an interview process that is outdated.
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Maurus
The Great Gazoo
Say hello to the Delta Test that not only Delta regionals are required to use but also mainline interviews as well.
Then again United is a step behind on that whole Simulator thing. Weird how they say "we know you can fly" and then test if we can fly in the interview. It is what it is, but like most things anymore in aviation it doesn't make much sense.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Personally, I prefer it those idiotic TMAAT questions that everyone conjures fake answers to.
"Gonna expand my circle, build a team, reach out to dispatch and maintenance, thooooooousand points of light. Shiiiiiinning city at the top of the hill.."
SmoothLanderJ
Well-Known Member
ATN_Pilot said:
Good thing you didn't interview at Alaska then because that's pretty all it is for 2 days.
Hacker15e
Who am I? Where are my pants?
Damn, and here I was all stressing to find stories about stuff that actually happened. All I have to do is make it up on the spot?
Polar742
All the responsibility none of the authority
I gave honest answers to those, and I know several that BS'd super pilot stories.
I'm at my 3rd choice, they got the career job.
I did see where you walked it back (which I liked that comment). Gouge is only as good as the writer, and best intentions do occasionally come up short. I've taught many military guys that this is their first civilian job, and most have no issues. I've yet to see any class at airlines I've worked at where cooperate & graduate wasn't the undertone.
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Oh, it was the same way at AirTran. After HR took over most of the process instead of the Eastern guys, it all went downhill. "Tell me about a time you went above and beyond for a passenger." Oh, shoot me now!
SlumTodd_Millionaire
Most Hated Member
Definitely don't make them up on the spot. Guys spend countless hours perfectly crafting their stories, because every airline asks the same ones.
Personally, I'd like to see some hard core cognitive testing, personality assessment, and technical knowledge testing. Forget all of this touchy feely nonsense.
