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yep. easiest thing is to ask him to mark the tapes and ask for his supervisor's number all in one request. take note of ythe time and give the super a call asking what the hurry was. professionalism is something you always have the right to call into question
 
One other comment on this thread. There are DBag rude controllers just as there are pilots. On one hand off, we had congested radio traffic with a motormouth cute controller. Couldn't get in a word in edgewise without stepping on someone, and finally when I started to key the mike, I hear him call with our c/s. I respond good morning c/s passing 12 thousand for FL 240 or whatever. He responds with a sarcastic "oh so you are going to participate in the National Airspace program after all". I just laughed and the only reason I remember it, was because he sounded like an idiot. Didn't give him another thought until the handoff. Don't let these guys get to you where you are letting off F bombs to yourself.
 
Only thing I have left to say on this topic is that although there is no excuse for the behavior of the aforementioned controllers, nothing will ellicit aggravation from us controllers like a "Roger" from a pilot who has just been given a complicated instruction requiring a readback.

I respect the hell out of you pilots (well stutdent pilots not so much;)) but I HATE "Roger" unless it is something mundane ie a change in altimeter. "Roger" is not an appropriate response to a control instruction. "Wilco" is just as short and tells me everything I know, use that if you are pissed at me and my crappy vectors. :cool:

Safe Flights to all!


Disclaimer:all typo's and offensive statements are a direct result of the alcohol I have consumed tonight.
 
boondr said:
Only thing I have left to say on this topic is that although there is no excuse for the behavior of the aforementioned controllers, nothing will ellicit aggravation from us controllers like a "Roger" from a pilot who has just been given a complicated instruction requiring a readback.

I respect the hell out of you pilots (well stutdent pilots not so much;)) but I HATE "Roger" unless it is something mundane ie a change in altimeter. "Roger" is not an appropriate response to a control instruction. "Wilco" is just as short and tells me everything I know, use that if you are pissed at me and my crappy vectors. :cool:

Safe Flights to all!


Disclaimer:all typo's and offensive statements are a direct result of the alcohol I have consumed tonight.
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How about a "rogaaaaah"? :D

Oh hey, we have a new FO here in the Mid-Atlantic so if you hear a confused guy on the radio saying "roger" to everything with my callsign don't come after me. :rotfl:

(P.S.: Could also be me.)
 
boondr said:
Only thing I have left to say on this topic is that although there is no excuse for the behavior of the aforementioned controllers, nothing will ellicit aggravation from us controllers like a "Roger" from a pilot who has just been given a complicated instruction requiring a readback.

I respect the hell out of you pilots (well stutdent pilots not so much;)) but I HATE "Roger" unless it is something mundane ie a change in altimeter. "Roger" is not an appropriate response to a control instruction. "Wilco" is just as short and tells me everything I know, use that if you are pissed at me and my crappy vectors. :cool:

Safe Flights to all!


Disclaimer:all typo's and offensive statements are a direct result of the alcohol I have consumed tonight.
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The only thing worse than "Roger" is "Roger That"...I want to pull my hair out when I hear that, and I'm not even a controller!
 
dasleben said:
How about a "rogaaaaah"? :D

Oh hey, we have a new FO here in the Mid-Atlantic so if you hear a confused guy on the radio saying "roger" to everything with my callsign don't come after me. :rotfl:

(P.S.: Could also be me.)
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I think I talked to you today coming back to BWI, I was on final calling the VFR traffic east of Baltimore. I think that was you right? It was Cherokee at 2 you passed behind?
 
SurferLucas said:
The only thing worse than "Roger" is "Roger That"...I want to pull my hair out when I hear that, and I'm not even a controller!
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See for me it isn't "Roger" in general it is "roger" as a response to an instruction. Roger means in laymans terms "I heard what you said", well in legal terms it might as well be "I heard what you said and you can pound sand because I don't like it". So if I am telling you information IE "Altimeter 2-9-9-2", than "Roger" is fine. But if I tell you "cross ANYFIX at 10,000 and 250kts" and I get a "roger", than that is when I am going to get edge to my voice and repeat myself.
 
boondr said:
I think I talked to you today coming back to BWI, I was on final calling the VFR traffic east of Baltimore. I think that was you right? It was Cherokee at 2 you passed behind?
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That was us. He was on the radio, though.

Oh, and can you tell that damn King Air to stop saying "Sugar Charlie" on the radio? Drives me up the damn wall. Every single day. At one point he started saying "Sierra Charlie," but he's back to his old tricks. :D

Yeah, I fly around BWI too much...
 
dasleben said:
That was us. He was on the radio, though.

Oh, and can you tell that damn King Air to stop saying "Sugar Charlie" on the radio? Drives me up the damn wall. Every single day. At one point he started saying "Sierra Charlie," but he's back to his old tricks. :D

Yeah, I fly around BWI too much...
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LMAO 57SC? Yeah I know the same frustration, him and another local guy guy who uses "Sienna" instead of "Sierra" really grinds my gears.

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boondr said:
LMAO 57SC? Yeah I know the same frustration, him and another local guy guy who uses "Sienna" instead of "Sierra" really grinds my gears.

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So many colorful characters in the Mid-Atlantic area. We even have a couple of our own. You've probably noticed that KAP6 is unintelligible almost 100% of the time. If you've ever wanted to know why, it's his headset. The airplanes are fine. He can afford a new one just fine, but I guess he's attached to his old DCs that don't really work well anymore. :D
 
dasleben said:
So many colorful characters in the Mid-Atlantic area. We even have a couple of our own. You've probably noticed that KAP6 is unintelligible almost 100% of the time. If you've ever wanted to know why, it's his headset. The airplanes are fine. He can afford a new one just fine, but I guess he's attached to his old DCs that don't really work well anymore. :D
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He is funny, when he flies in from HGR at "O'dark thirty" and I offer him a straight-in to 15L(winds providing) he thanks me like I have given him a winning lottery ticket. BTW what kind of accent is that?


Oh while on that subject, UNITED pilots what is the deal with your radios? I think every United plane has a scratchy-whiney transmitter refurb. Are they just too cheap to get a good radio? Every other airline is hit-or-miss but United radios stink! Pilots are half-decent though;).
 
Heard a guy in a Diamond kept saying "over" after every transmission the other day. I was half expecting a big ol "10-4!"
 
boondr said:
He is funny, when he flies in from HGR at "O'dark thirty" and I offer him a straight-in to 15L(winds providing) he thanks me like I have given him a winning lottery ticket. BTW what kind of accent is that?
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Haha, yeah, we all dig the 15L straight-in. We're paid by the duty hour (instead of by the flight hour, which is far more common), so the sooner we get on the ground, the sooner we get our coffee.

He's from India...or Pakistan...somewhere out there. I want to say Pakistan actually, but I've never gotten around to asking him.
 
I had the interesting experience of doing my instrument rating with an instructor that was a former ATC controller.

He told me, if I should ever find myself sideways with a controller, to ask for a "Time Check."

As all ATC freqs are taped, that's basically saying you're marking the tape to file a complaint regarding a specific time later.

It's the ATC-speak equivalent of of "KNOCK IT OFF" or "SHUT UP."

In other words, you find the controller's attitude inappropriate, and if he or she doesn't check it, you gonna wreck it. :)

:tmyk:
 
Firebird2XC said:
In other words, you find the controller's attitude inappropriate, and if he or she doesn't check it, you gonna wreck it. :)
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Firebird2XC said:
I had the interesting experience of doing my instrument rating with an instructor that was a former ATC controller.

He told me, if I should ever find myself sideways with a controller, to ask for a "Time Check."

As all ATC freqs are taped, that's basically saying you're marking the tape to file a complaint regarding a specific time later.

It's the ATC-speak equivalent of of "KNOCK IT OFF" or "SHUT UP."

In other words, you find the controller's attitude inappropriate, and if he or she doesn't check it, you gonna wreck it. :)

:tmyk:
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Never heard that myself but if I am ever out of line I want to be told.

Worst I have ever been is I was really busy training on final (I was out to 25-30 miles ~4 miles in trail) it was hard IFR and pilots kept asking "what's my sequence". I kept giving guestimates "eight or nine" or "I'll have you turned base in 3 miles or so". After the 4th or so one I was getting aggravated because it was eating up my frequency time, so I simply replied "Number Last", I got no reply and my instructor was dying lauging. Nobody else asked after that.
 
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