Roger Roger
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TF you think a PC12 is made out of
Lifeguard Fatal Five in Nevada Feb 24, 2023
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"“The pilot noted that they needed to get home. The pilot told him that the airplane was 98% good and the remaining ice would come off during takeoff,” the witness statement says."
Criminally stupid.
ppragman
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“The PC12 cannot be destroyed my normal turbulence Fholbert son of Gloin.”
Maybe not knowingly. Have you ever checked your scoreboard and found that the AP wasn’t actually engaged? Or the mode you thought you’d selected wasn’t showing engaged? I know I have.
Roger Roger
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The King autopilots in those legacies do have a history of a number of different “interesting” failure modes (reference another medevac crash under similar circumstances maybe 10-15 years ago, also in the southwest). Certainly something the investigators will look at.
DropTank
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Manually flying into the flight levels isn't that difficult. Would probably go against the GOM tho
Curious what avionics suite it had.
It's not easy to break a Pilatus. and in the extremely rare case that you do, it's going straight down.
This plane was likely intact 'till impact.
Cherokee_Cruiser
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Wardogg
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I agree. It reads like either a loss of instrumentation or spatial D in moderate turbulence at night IMC.
FlyingAccountant
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Yeah, I just reread it to jog my memory.
The highlights:
- Slightly over MTOW, and past the aft CG.
- 12 people onboard when there was only 10 seats. Two pax were sitting on the floor(!).
- A pilot of questionable abilities who had trouble handling the aircraft in even the best conditions.
- Airplane had sat outside during a snowstorm and wasn't properly deiced. The report makes a point to state that this alone wouldn't have doomed the airplane but it was a hole in the swiss cheese.
- The runway was covered in snow and the only person plowing it couldn't keep up. He advised the pilot that the condition of the runway was terrible and that there were "berms" of snow on it. The pilot insisted on going anyway.
- Low IFR conditions during a snowstorm.
- Two separate people advised him not to go and he declined. The owner of the lodge they were staying at felt so strongly about it that he took pictures and video of the airplane on the tarmac as it was leaving.
tlove482
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You think their GOM would prohibit hand flying? I've never had that restriction.
Roger Roger
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I would imagine it had the standard King EFIS 40, probably upgraded with a GTN-something.
DropTank
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I worded that wrong.
If the pilot was hand flying it due to loss of A/P while flying single pilot, that would likely be against the GOM
The GTN would not likely bork itself and nuke 2 separate AHARS
I can't remember if you can tumble an old King EFIS.
It it had a King, that's where I'd look.
If it was a Garmin, I'd check if there was a pressurization failure or medical incapacitation of the pilot
DropTank
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Yeah, I suppose moderate could knock the A/P offline and SPAC-D afterward.
That would be the worst outcome.
ppragman
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Did you ever fly 135?
DropTank
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yep, have you?
fholbert
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“How do we know if the airplane broke up in flight? We found parts of the airplane one-half to three-quarters of a mile away” from the crash scene, NTSB Vice Chair Bruce Landsberg said at a news briefing in Carson City.
NTSB says medical plane apparently broke apart before crash
The National Transportation Safety Board has sent in a seven-member team of investigators to the site of Friday night’s crash near Stagecoach.
www.newsnationnow.com
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Beep
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plastic and snot, but, mostly snot.
Itchy
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I’ve had that model (assuming it has standard avionics) A/P kick off in turbulence a few times.
DropTank
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“How do we know if the airplane broke up in flight? We found parts of the airplane one-half to three-quarters of a mile away” from the crash scene, NTSB Vice Chair Bruce Landsberg said at a news briefing in Carson City.
NTSB says medical plane apparently broke apart before crash
The National Transportation Safety Board has sent in a seven-member team of investigators to the site of Friday night’s crash near Stagecoach.
Well, that'll do it.
Now, directly due to the turbulence or did it cause an unusual attitude that led to the breakup.
(I'm guessing the latter)
fholbert
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Based on your recent guessing and my recent guessing, I'd be wise to stay the course.
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