Soku39
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Make it happen.
LGA Expressway Visual Appr Plate Help
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somewhereupthere
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I can't imagine what some old hats would say about this conversation when comparing the old IGS 13 at Kai Tak. 
wheelsup
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Yawn...
ctab5060X
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@somewhereupthere
Flew the approach several times over the last two days... FPR showed ~3.0 on the descent from DIALS, ending up at 3.2 as we rounded Flushing Meadows Park.
ORDinarily
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Yup, home depot approach.Are you looking for the altitudes to go with the waypoints?
900' over the first Home Depot, 400' above the second. Works like a charm. All available resources.
Blackhawk
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The truth is that aviation, like most physical endeavors, has perishable skills. When I flew aerobatics on a regular basis I was sharp. Now that I fly it once a year to keep my upside down skills from totally rusting my lines aren't so sharp.
In the words of my airline's standards department we are ILS flying mo fo's. Visuals? Not so hot. Because we rarely do them. We recognized that, however and it is emphasized during most AQPs.
The Express Way visual is one of those visual approaches. If you have not been keeping up on such skills it will show. Some people bid around LGA so they won't have to do it. I actually like the "challenge" of applying stick and rudder skills. But then I also like going out to the local grass strip and renting the J-3 every once in a while. Of course this month I broke one of my rules- "Never bid LGA on the last day of a trip". I may pay for it tomorrow.
Some aircraft have the automation to do the Express Way visual, some don't. My airplane doesn't so aside from dropping in the visual it's done by hand. For new pilots yes, it can be a challenge. Especially with strong winds out of the southwest pushing you on the base. I remember DHing on a different airline when, as we honked around Shea Stadium (I refuse to call it Citi Field), I got to hear "bank angle, bank angle". Not something you want to hear below 1000', especially when it's not followed by a go around.
Of course as Berg mentioned there is that stupid tower, (Derg, it's this thing called the Mafia). First time i admit, it was just a blurb in a NOTAM and had not received special attention. Looking through NOTAMS I did my typical thing.... glanced over things that started with "towers" in the pages of NOTAMS. Something seemed wrong however- that Mark 3 Eyeball was dead on a 3 degree, but the PAPI shows low, so I steepend the glide path. After landing I went back through the NOTAMS and caught it. What an idiot.
Now while I enjoy following the LIE for the Expressway Visual what I really like is coming from the south for the visual to 22 and getting the arrival over Long Island. You fly over Great Neck, Manhassett Bay, then loop over my home town of Port Washington, then around Execution Rock. I remember as a kid watching these arrivals and thinking "That's what I want to do when I grow up." Maybe someday I will grow up.
In the words of my airline's standards department we are ILS flying mo fo's. Visuals? Not so hot. Because we rarely do them. We recognized that, however and it is emphasized during most AQPs.
The Express Way visual is one of those visual approaches. If you have not been keeping up on such skills it will show. Some people bid around LGA so they won't have to do it. I actually like the "challenge" of applying stick and rudder skills. But then I also like going out to the local grass strip and renting the J-3 every once in a while. Of course this month I broke one of my rules- "Never bid LGA on the last day of a trip". I may pay for it tomorrow.
Some aircraft have the automation to do the Express Way visual, some don't. My airplane doesn't so aside from dropping in the visual it's done by hand. For new pilots yes, it can be a challenge. Especially with strong winds out of the southwest pushing you on the base. I remember DHing on a different airline when, as we honked around Shea Stadium (I refuse to call it Citi Field), I got to hear "bank angle, bank angle". Not something you want to hear below 1000', especially when it's not followed by a go around.
Of course as Berg mentioned there is that stupid tower, (Derg, it's this thing called the Mafia). First time i admit, it was just a blurb in a NOTAM and had not received special attention. Looking through NOTAMS I did my typical thing.... glanced over things that started with "towers" in the pages of NOTAMS. Something seemed wrong however- that Mark 3 Eyeball was dead on a 3 degree, but the PAPI shows low, so I steepend the glide path. After landing I went back through the NOTAMS and caught it. What an idiot.
Now while I enjoy following the LIE for the Expressway Visual what I really like is coming from the south for the visual to 22 and getting the arrival over Long Island. You fly over Great Neck, Manhassett Bay, then loop over my home town of Port Washington, then around Execution Rock. I remember as a kid watching these arrivals and thinking "That's what I want to do when I grow up." Maybe someday I will grow up.
