Know how many checkrides you've failed

[C150J]

As previously stated, there is virtually no standardization when it comes to GA rides. Some programs yield NO 8710s, whereas others produce one for every certificate/rating. Some DPEs are thorough and fair, while others are corrupt. Unless there's a severe pattern (with multiple examiners) that is validated by a sim ride or over the course of initial training, zero weight should be placed on GA failures. I also find it ridiculous that, after multiple types and thousands of hours of 135/121 flying, a GA ride can somehow be held against you.

As proven by the FAA AIDS database, there is NO correlation between checkride failures and accidents/incidents. I'll scrutinize GA records more closely when the day comes that every pilot was given the same training.

 

[TheBritishBaron]

does a 141 stage check count as a checkride?

This is a good question that I have been pondering since getting the airlineapp email last week on the subject.

My only ever failed FAA CHECKRIDE was my CFI initial. However, I have been marked as unsatisfactory in several 141 STAGE CHECKS in the past (note-the school did not have examinating authority so all checkrides were through IACRA/8710 and a DPE). What I have been wondering is whether a part 141 stage check counts as a "proficiency check" as quoted from the question being asked in the airline applications?

 

[Guy]

yeah, just had an interviewer ask me if I was absolutely sure of my answers, because they had people pulled out of class for having the wrong information on their application..

Even later in a person's career. Such was the case in this incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FedEx_Flight_705

 

[poser765]

This is a good question that I have been pondering since getting the airlineapp email last week on the subject.

My only ever failed FAA CHECKRIDE was my CFI initial. However, I have been marked as unsatisfactory in several 141 STAGE CHECKS in the past (note-the school did not have examinating authority so all checkrides were through IACRA/8710 and a DPE). What I have been wondering is whether a part 141 stage check counts as a "proficiency check" as quoted from the question being asked in the airline applications?

First I can't remember all the stage checks I've had. Nor can I remember all the results of them. Nor do I really care. Now I am wondering how the employer can find out. Are they really going to take the time to track down the flight school the applicant went to, AND then proceed to convince them to send coppies of training records? Does the school have any legal obligation to comply with such a request? I would feel safe making the claim that those are NOT public records.

 

[sr22driver]

To anyone who is wondering, you can get your complete airman file from the FAA. This is exactly what any employer is required to obtain because of PRIA. I think if you are heading to an interview, it would be a good idea to have this info so nothing comes out during or after the interview that you either forgot or didnt know about... You will get a huge pile of papers from OKC including all correspondence between you and the FAA, all 8710 forms, 8410's, written test reports (WITH the score!), et etc.

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/copy_of_certification_records/

What's the cost?

 

[C150J]

What's the cost?

Depends on how many pages. I've had an FAA file since 1998 and it was about $5.

 

[Tram]

0.. Shouldn't be too hard to remember...

 

[drunkenbeagle]

Are they really going to take the time to track down the flight school the applicant went to, AND then proceed to convince them to send coppies of training records?

Only if there are Congressional hearings on the matter, and you aren't likely to be in attendance if it comes to that...

 

[cmill]

This is more of an issue if your first job besides instruction is at a regional. I'm in the same boat as KLB, but I haven't failed any pt 121 initial PC, recurrent PC, or line check or any 135 initial or recurrent check ever. If some place wants to hold check ride busts I had years ago in my primary training when I now have thousands of hours of operating in an air carrier and no busts then frankly eff them.

That's my philosophy anyway. YMMV.

With all that said when there are tons of applicants it is just one way to shorten the stack.

Im on the same page as you there. I busted my private check in the air and my CFI initial on the ground. If you wanna look back and fault me for something i did with 50 hours, and for some question i couldnt answer after 7 hours of getting drilled, then i really dont wanna work for you.

 

[greaper007]

Im on the same page as you there. I busted my private check in the air and my CFI initial on the ground. If you wanna look back and fault me for something i did with 50 hours, and for some question i couldnt answer after 7 hours of getting drilled, then i really dont wanna work for you.

Most jobs that pay $17,000.00 a year probably don't even bother with a drug test, let alone a background check... Don't you love aviation.

 

[TexasFlyer]

What's the cost?

The cost is that when I opened the PDF it froze my computer and I had to reboot. Any oher PDF works fine.

And during that process I jumped out of my chair which I should not do since i have a foot injurey. But I had TWO cockroaches running on each wall on each side of the monitor. And I NEVER seen a cock roach in my house before!!!

This must be a sign. I best not even check. I failed my commercial since my soft field landing was not soft and my 8's on pylons were not to his satisfaction. Did a short 0.8 ith instructor and the next day with the DPE. Passed. Just had an overconfident attitude that day resulting in humbeling.

Woah. A 3rd. Roach. Now I am about ready to hop to my truck and sleep in it. This is bothering me. Darn that FAA!!!! I blame those roaches...lol.

 

[popaviator]

The cost is that when I opened the PDF it froze my computer and I had to reboot. Any oher PDF works fine.

And during that process I jumped out of my chair which I should not do since i have a foot injurey. But I had TWO cockroaches running on each wall on each side of the monitor. And I NEVER seen a cock roach in my house before!!!

This must be a sign. I best not even check. I failed my commercial since my soft field landing was not soft and my 8's on pylons were not to his satisfaction. Did a short 0.8 ith instructor and the next day with the DPE. Passed. Just had an overconfident attitude that day resulting in humbeling.

Woah. A 3rd. Roach. Now I am about ready to hop to my truck and sleep in it. This is bothering me. Darn that FAA!!!! I blame those roaches...lol.

:rotfl:

 

[TexasFlyer]

And now a weird update. I killed a 4th roach right after I closed the FAA site. It's been an hour since I closed that site. 4 roaches in under 10 minutes. Not a single roach ever prior to that. And not a single once since closing it. This is certainly a sign not to open the FAA site any more!

And really no joke. I am pretty much freaked out since my phone book got a work out killing roaches. I will buy roach bait tomorrow just to be safe. But I do advise. Keep the space with the FAA.

 

[popaviator]

As the saying goes "They're not happy till you're not happy"

 

[Hootie]

I've never failed a checkride. So obviously Nasa and 1970's Pam Am call me everyday asking if I would work for them.


Failing a checkride don't mean jack, failing a couple in a row is a problem, as well as an initial 121 school ive heard.

 

[puddlejumper]

What's the cost?

FEES FOR A COMPLETE AIRMAN CERTIFICATION FILE: The fees for these copies are $2 for Search of Records, $3 for Certification of a file, 25 cents for the first page, and 5 cents for each additional page. Upon receipt of the requested complete airman file, you will be notified of the total charges due and the options of payment. Please allow 6 to 8 weeks for processing.

Seems pretty reasonable to me. Probably a good idea to get.

 

[delmar]

OK, sorry if this has been asked before somewhere else but AirlineApps asks you how many traffic violations you have had in the last 10 years and they want you to enter specific dates. The only one I have gotten was 6 years ago in Florida and I currently live in California. I can narrow down the month and year but cant remember the exact date, so my question is do they care over the exact date or would month and year suffice? I called the Florida DMV and they want $48 bucks to send me my 10 year driving history. Thanks and sorry for the thread hijack, just couldn't find the answer anywhere else

 

[mooneyguy]

Knock on wood, no failed checkrides....yet! Of course from this point I think it would be worse then a failed PPL.

 

[KLB]

OK, sorry if this has been asked before somewhere else but AirlineApps asks you how many traffic violations you have had in the last 10 years and they want you to enter specific dates. The only one I have gotten was 6 years ago in Florida and I currently live in California. I can narrow down the month and year but cant remember the exact date, so my question is do they care over the exact date or would month and year suffice? I called the Florida DMV and they want $48 bucks to send me my 10 year driving history. Thanks and sorry for the thread hijack, just couldn't find the answer anywhere else

Going through the DMV will probably be the only way to do it. It's just something else you'll have to pay for in aviation.

 

[TopGunn]

I just failed my CSEL ride. Nailed every single maneuver, engine outs, power of 180's, including 3.0 of ground. I busted the diversion part. The part i was least concerned of is the part i screwed up on. My time was perfect and distance. My heading was off by 3 degrees and it ended up putting me 3 miles south of the airport. Will go back up Thursday and finish it all up with the DE and guy from FSDO this time. To make me feel better, my DE chimed in with is first checkride bust due to diversion as well. He is now a state trooper flying medvac helicopter.