Know how many checkrides you've failed

popaviator said:
The cutoff for Colgan is 2 failed checkrides due to the scrutiny they've been under in the past. I'm not sure if it's the same at other airlines. Definitely something to keep in mind during flight training.
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So is that 2 failed before coming to Colgan or during training at Colgan?
 
That FSDO was in Dallas. It wasn't the FSDO as much as the guy. The first thing he told me as I walked through the door was, "Oh you went to THAT school? I hate how they do things" So I figured I was in for a fun time, I was right! :)

The other failure I have is my PPL initial. case of nerves. It's good though, it broke the ice for all the others and checkrides were no big deal after that. At least the two I failed are the two most common to fail the first time, statistically anyway. Nothing like blending into the background for those two :)
 
Ok this has been bothering me ever since I got my instrument rating. The examiner gave me my oral exam and the only thing that I didn't prepare for was how a GPS works ( I know silly) but the plane that I was doing my training in didn't have a GPS, however, the ILS was out at my airport and so we were going to do that approach in the simulator which does have a GPS. Anyways, I failed my oral exam because of not knowing how a GPS worked. After, we did the practical portion of the test and I passed that portion of the exam. When we got back, the simulator was being used so we decided to come back the next day and do the ILS in the sim. I went and talked to my instructor about the GPS thing and we had a little lesson on that, went home studied up on it some more and came back the next day to do the sim and oral again. I passed! Sorry that this is so long but just wondering if I half failed a checkride or what? :)
 
Is there a record from the FAA I can look up? Reason I ask is that I can't remember if I "failed" my CFI 10 years ago. After my oral, the DPE told me I should come back tomorrow and told me I needed to look up a couple things. I don't think he wrote me up as a failed checkride though... I never got one of those pink slips or anything. I always wondered if I should disclose that one or not and if I could find some record of me failing it??
 
Don't worry about it. It will not inhibit you where ever you go. Do tell the truth though. I've made it this far with a couple of bust. The big reason being that I went to a aviation university where I did not get to chose the DPE I would have like for checkrides. I had to go with whoever the university chose via a lottery system. Just so happen, I got the same examiner for two of my checkrides and we just didn't vibe. In my opinion he was unprofessional. He was rarely listenning to my replies in my oral. He was either talking on his cell or just wasn't listening. I had no choice but to use him though.

I haven't had a checkride failure after leaving the university where I got my CFII, multi engine, and MEI. I haven't had a problem with any checkride at my current company going on 4 years now.

I may not be able to get on at Delta, but I'm not really too devestated about it. I can't really spend the rest of my life worried about "coulda should wouldas" that happened in my infant years of aviation.:)
 
This is more of an issue if your first job besides instruction is at a regional. I'm in the same boat as KLB, but I haven't failed any pt 121 initial PC, recurrent PC, or line check or any 135 initial or recurrent check ever. If some place wants to hold check ride busts I had years ago in my primary training when I now have thousands of hours of operating in an air carrier and no busts then frankly eff them.

That's my philosophy anyway. YMMV.

With all that said when there are tons of applicants it is just one way to shorten the stack.
 
GlenA said:
That FSDO was in Dallas. It wasn't the FSDO as much as the guy. The first thing he told me as I walked through the door was, "Oh you went to THAT school? I hate how they do things" So I figured I was in for a fun time, I was right! :)
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That sounds like it deserves a call to Oklahoma. Discrimination is the proper word I think.
 
I failed my CFI initial on the flight... Stupid mistake on my behalf. But he allowed me to finish everything prior to getting the pink slip and trotting on home. I figured it was going pretty well when during my oral we went out to lunch for about an hour prior to prepping for the flight. :) My examiner had this grading system for the questions he'd ask... It was different. He said I'd scored highest for the week so far... Made me feel so smart! :D
 
I failed my CFI initial twice with the FAA. The first time during the oral and second time I just got nervous during the flight and screwed up a soft field take off. It happens.
 
KLB said:
Don't worry about it. It will not inhibit you where ever you go. Do tell the truth though. I've made it this far with a couple of bust. The big reason being that I went to a aviation university where I did not get to chose the DPE I would have like for checkrides. I had to go with whoever the university chose via a lottery system. Just so happen, I got the same examiner for two of my checkrides and we just didn't vibe. In my opinion he was unprofessional. He was rarely listenning to my replies in my oral. He was either talking on his cell or just wasn't listening. I had no choice but to use him though.

I haven't had a checkride failure after leaving the university where I got my CFII, multi engine, and MEI. I haven't had a problem with any checkride at my current company going on 4 years now.

I may not be able to get on at Delta, but I'm not really too devestated about it. I can't really spend the rest of my life worried about "coulda should wouldas" that happened in my infant years of aviation.:)
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Was your university not 141? You never technically fail a 141 ride.
 
Only if your school does in-house checkrides. Otherwise you do all your 141 training and then go to an examiner.
 
z987k said:
Was your university not 141? You never technically fail a 141 ride.
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DStu said:
Only if your school does in-house checkrides. Otherwise you do all your 141 training and then go to an examiner.
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^^^^ This

Right as I life some of the checkrides were starting to be done in house. That is another reason the whole failed check ride deal is flawed. Guys who did there flight training at 141 schools with in house examiners get to treat their check rides as stage checks. Pink slips are never given if a stage check is failed and the world is perfect. So a person could techinically fail all of the checkrides/stage checks and still come out with a clean sheet at some 141 schools while a person may have failed 1 or 2 checkrides at, but is actually a better pilot at other 141 and part 61 schools. The system is flawed.
 
A few years ago you could lie to Colgan about how many you failed because they didn't really look it up. Instead they relied on how you flew the sim and did on the written.

The buffalo capt failed something like 5 checkrides. I don't think that should have been the problem though. He failed checkrides at Colgan, that should have been the problem. I failed GA checkrides because the system was setup so differently. I never came close to failing when I was flying 121 though. You have a much better idea of what you should know for the oral and for every rating except for initial you have a lot more time in the aircraft and more than enough practice for the checkride. My upgrade checkride was the one that I sweated the most and it was by far the easiest checkride that I ever had. 10 times easier than any GA ride.

I remember asking my dad about failed checkrides and he told me that "everyone busts." That he busted his ATP in a Duchess while he was an F-14 pilot. He told me that any company that cared about busts in GA training is moronic, I tend to agree.
 
To anyone who is wondering, you can get your complete airman file from the FAA. This is exactly what any employer is required to obtain because of PRIA. I think if you are heading to an interview, it would be a good idea to have this info so nothing comes out during or after the interview that you either forgot or didnt know about... You will get a huge pile of papers from OKC including all correspondence between you and the FAA, all 8710 forms, 8410's, written test reports (WITH the score!), et etc.

http://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/copy_of_certification_records/
 
KLB said:
^^^^ This

Right as I life some of the checkrides were starting to be done in house. That is another reason the whole failed check ride deal is flawed. Guys who did there flight training at 141 schools with in house examiners get to treat their check rides as stage checks. Pink slips are never given if a stage check is failed and the world is perfect. So a person could techinically fail all of the checkrides/stage checks and still come out with a clean sheet at some 141 schools while a person may have failed 1 or 2 checkrides at, but is actually a better pilot at other 141 and part 61 schools. The system is flawed.
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Yet another reason that self examinng authority sucks. It's a way around the real deal IMHO.
 
mshunter said:
Yet another reason that self examinng authority sucks. It's a way around the real deal IMHO.
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Not at my school. People did fail the End of Course checks. Not very often, because on the stage check before the EOC, they were put through the WRINGER to make sure they WOULD pass the EOC. Just like they would be if they were going to a DPE. The places with self-examining that you've worked with must have been scum and had no FAA oversight.
 
Roger said:
Not at my school. People did fail the End of Course checks. Not very often, because on the stage check before the EOC, they were put through the WRINGER to make sure they WOULD pass the EOC. Just like they would be if they were going to a DPE. The places with self-examining that you've worked with must have been scum and had no FAA oversight.
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Yes, but from my understanding it's still considered a stage check and not a check ride. So no pink slip on the record.
 
KLB said:
Yes, but from my understanding it's still considered a stage check and not a check ride. So no pink slip on the record.
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This is true. I don't remember that the 8710 distinguishes whether the EOC was passed on the first attempt or not. Though with the recent increase in emphasis on training failures, I wouldn't be surprised if that changed sometime in the future.
 
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