Know how many checkrides you've failed

GlenA said:
That FSDO was in Dallas. It wasn't the FSDO as much as the guy. The first thing he told me as I walked through the door was, "Oh you went to THAT school? I hate how they do things" So I figured I was in for a fun time, I was right! :)

The other failure I have is my PPL initial. case of nerves. It's good though, it broke the ice for all the others and checkrides were no big deal after that. At least the two I failed are the two most common to fail the first time, statistically anyway. Nothing like blending into the background for those two :)
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Was it in Dallas or Ft Worth? There was an inspector over at Alliance with an.....interesting pass rate to say the least. He also got busted crowing about his busting certain individuals right in front of the CP from the flight school that student was from. He didn't know the CP was there doing a checkride for their certification, and he got reported. Makes it difficult to explain when the interviewer asks "Why did you bust?" and you can only say "The guy busts everyone."
 
TopGunn said:
I just failed my CSEL ride. Nailed every single maneuver, engine outs, power of 180's, including 3.0 of ground. I busted the diversion part. The part i was least concerned of is the part i screwed up on. My time was perfect and distance. My heading was off by 3 degrees and it ended up putting me 3 miles south of the airport. :mad: Will go back up Thursday and finish it all up with the DE and guy from FSDO this time. To make me feel better, my DE chimed in with is first checkride bust due to diversion as well. He is now a state trooper flying medvac helicopter.
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I think that my constituted as a silly reason to bust in my opinion. Three degrees is not that big of an error. Honestly if you're VFR and you have to divert more than 50 or so miles because of weather and such, you've done poor flight planning. Of course there are a few exceptions such as being in a sparsely populated with not many airports or mountanous area, but you should be prepared for those scenerios during the preflight planning.

The way I taught diverting (examiners loved it) was get the plan turned in the general direction, guesstimate the heading, use the nuckles on your fingers to guestimate distance, use mental math to figure up time and fuel burn. A 50 mile divert was usually 30 minutes and 4 to 6 gallons of fuel burned.

You don't really use much dead reckoning during a divert. I'd use more pilotage. It's just easier that way and keeps the work load light.
 
KLB said:
I think that my constituted as a silly reason to bust in my opinion. Three degrees is not that big of an error. Honestly if you're VFR and you have to divert more than 50 or so miles because of weather and such, you've done poor flight planning. Of course there are a few exceptions such as being in a sparsely populated with not many airports or mountanous area, but you should be prepared for those scenerios during the preflight planning.

The way I taught diverting (examiners loved it) was get the plan turned in the general direction, guesstimate the heading, use the nuckles on your fingers to guestimate distance, use mental math to figure up time and fuel burn. A 50 mile divert was usually 30 minutes and 4 to 6 gallons of fuel burned.

You don't really use much dead reckoning during a divert. I'd use more pilotage. It's just easier that way and keeps the work load light.
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That seems like a good idea. Also, I am getting that TopGunn had to travel 60 miles to get 3 miles off of 3* of error? The examiner really had you fly that far? It might just be my quick and unchecked math though...
 
I failed my Private twice, my CFI sent me before I was ready so he could renew his CFI. That didn't work so well for him or me.

I failed my Comm when I didn't deserve to, decending 700 fpm turning downwind to base was to fast for him. Should have reported him but I didn't.

I passed my Multi when I didn't deserve to.

I failed my CFI for missing my power off 180º spot landing by about ten feet long. I was irked but understood.

I overheard a newly minted check airman tell a guy 'So the FAA is going to be riding along on tomorrows checkride and that means I have to fail you. I hope there are no hard feelings, dinner is on me tomorrow.' I was glad I never have to take a checkride with that d-bag.

Until everyone has the exact same checkride held to the exact same standards there won't be a problem for a employer to hire someone who has busted a few. Unless you are me, I have to many. I will have to tell my employer that I am unemployable.
 
Rudabega said:
I overheard a newly minted check airman tell a guy 'So the FAA is going to be riding along on tomorrows checkride and that means I have to fail you. I hope there are no hard feelings, dinner is on me tomorrow.' I was glad I never have to take a checkride with that d-bag.
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Two words: Pro Standards. If they don't do anything, the guy should be reported to the CP. Guys like that have no business in airline training departments, and they are the reason people are scared of training events.
 
how about discontinued checkrides?

One of my checkrides got discountinued. Had to "finish it up" two days later. Would that still count againts me?
 
TopGunn said:
I just failed my CSEL ride. Nailed every single maneuver, engine outs, power of 180's, including 3.0 of ground. I busted the diversion part. The part i was least concerned of is the part i screwed up on. My time was perfect and distance. My heading was off by 3 degrees and it ended up putting me 3 miles south of the airport. :mad: Will go back up Thursday and finish it all up with the DE and guy from FSDO this time. To make me feel better, my DE chimed in with is first checkride bust due to diversion as well. He is now a state trooper flying medvac helicopter.
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I doubt it was just 3 degrees... A 3 degree error would require just over 57 miles of flying before it would have you off by 3 miles. That would be an absolutely ridiculous standard that is practically impossible to meet while in a noisy, vibrating airplane, no autopilot, unknown winds, all while using a chart and plotter. No way.
 
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