KBTL Hawker 800 crash

I’m not familiar with Honker heavy maintenance, does the wing get demated at some of the heavy checks like a Lear? Or does it seem more likely that the aircraft over stressed during a botched stall test?
 
Roger Roger said:
I’m not familiar with Honker heavy maintenance, does the wing get demated at some of the heavy checks like a Lear? Or does it seem more likely that the aircraft over stressed during a botched stall test?
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I never flew one but they were around at a previous job. By all accounts they were built like a brick poop house.
 
Roger Roger said:
I’m not familiar with Honker heavy maintenance, does the wing get demated at some of the heavy checks like a Lear? Or does it seem more likely that the aircraft over stressed during a botched stall test?
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They have to take the TKS panels off and evidently putting them back on is a bit of a delicate process. So then some poor dumbass (like,say,me) has to go stall and see whether it flips over and crashes.

I don't think that thing was missing a wing, but my eyes are getting old along with the rest of me. My money would be on pulling through the pusher and winding up in a deep stall.
 
bp said:
didnt someone intentionally snap roll a hawker a buncha years back? my impression has always been they are brick sh thouses
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They're built like they thought they'd never have to be disassembled. The deepest I ever got with a Hawker was removing/reinstalling the tail cap so we could remove/install the horizontal stab. I don't recall the actual amount of bolts that holds that entire tail together, I just remember trying to torque them properly and install the cotter keys in a difficult position repeatedly for days. I've always heard the rumor that that airplane in particular is as overengineered as it is because all of the old school engineers from WWII were kind of on the chopping block when the Hawker was being designed and they saw a Learjet land and went to have a look. Then they dropped acid and kept their jobs designing all sorts of steampunk nonsense like the landing gear. Go look at any jets MLG and it's pretty obvious how it works, do the same with a Hawker and you might spend some time scratching your head. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's just overly complicated and that's why no one ever copied it. They are built like a brick • house, if that • house was in Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory.
 
Boris Badenov said:
They have to take the TKS panels off and evidently putting them back on is a bit of a delicate process. So then some poor dumbass (like,say,me) has to go stall and see whether it flips over and crashes.

I don't think that thing was missing a wing, but my eyes are getting old along with the rest of me. My money would be on pulling through the pusher and winding up in a deep stall.
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Tbh I didn’t watch it and was going off the impressions of others.
 
Boris Badenov said:
They have to take the TKS panels off and evidently putting them back on is a bit of a delicate process. So then some poor dumbass (like,say,me) has to go stall and see whether it flips over and crashes.

I don't think that thing was missing a wing, but my eyes are getting old along with the rest of me. My money would be on pulling through the pusher and winding up in a deep stall.
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The TKS panels have stall "strips" mounted on them. Again my Hawker experience/knowledge is very limited and I hate working on them with a blind hatred. The airplane in question was at an airport with a big MRO onsite. It'd been there since March and this was the first flight since. I have no idea about what might've happened but it seems likely it was related to to whatever MX was completed. Has Duncan Aviation said anything?
 
I should also say the absolute easiest TFE731 engine change is a Hawker 800 with no thrust reversers. In and out in a day and a half, maybe two days if the wind's blowing too hard.
 
BEEF SUPREME said:
Maybe you'll get it but most likely I'm just wasting my time with you.

This post invokes strong feelings for you. For you. For you only. For nearly everyone else it's more of a *shrug* moment to "huhuh yeah bro". 99.9% of us could care less if our paycheck appliance is a steaming pile of poo poo or a real man's airplane.

You care a lot apparently. It matters to you. But those are inside thoughts. Keep them to yourself. Everyone else is just *shrug or *lol.
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I’m happy if the important bits work and the flight deck doesn’t smell like socks and ass.
 
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