JetBlue captain subdued after pounding on cockpit

It never ceased to amaze me the stupid things pax would say. They're nervous, in a place & situation where they have NO control, and instead of thinking rationally and using their brains they make stupid comments that they think are "funny".
 
SeanD said:
A friend of mine (JetBlue FO) posted a status on his FB today saying he had about a dozen people sarcastically ask if he and his captain remembered to take their prozac or some other anti depressive med. The insensitive nature of the flying public has reached a new low. Id have had a really hard time not punching someone before the day ended, but thats just me.
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The problem, is that its supposedly a problem if a pilot has to take prozac. Pilot mental health rules are draconian, and do more harm than good in their current state.
 
Rogo said:
I was watching CNN and they were interviewing a passenger on the flight just before they had Sully come on, they asked the passenger if he thought he was going to die... The passenger said that all he was thinking about was his wife and kids and started crying. Unreal...
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It's the pussification of America. That pilot is lucky to have walked off of that airplane, honestly. I'm sure he's a great guy, but it's just how things go, sometimes. If I ever found myself in that situation, you can bet every last penny in your pocket it's "fight's on" and whatever the outcome is is whatever the outcome is as long as I walk out of the situation.

I guess that's just how it works when you're taught to fight, rather than flee. It's amazing to me that all of those people in the video sat there, hoping and praying that someone would do something to make it stop rather than doing it themselves.
 
cmill said:
The problem, is that its supposedly a problem if a pilot has to take prozac. Pilot mental health rules are draconian, and do more harm than good in their current state.
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Again, don't assume that this was a psych issue. As we've discussed, there are many medical conditions that could have caused this.
We're not doing this guy and his family any good to keep referring to it as "Panic Attack', 'Mental Breakdown' etc. Who knows how many media bottom-feeders read these forums hoping for something to confirm their 'diagnosis'.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
You should work for the TSA.

Seriously, captain has a melt down and you're more worried about if the F/O followed security procedures? I'm very much a follow the rules, color inside the lines kind of guy. But there are situations when the rulebook is useless...this is one of those times.
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Ummm Sir, I am analyzing the situation for discussion purposes, primary reason for this forum, No? As far as TSA comment is concerned, I'll pretend your juvenile and sophomoric behavior as a first time mistake.
 
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TopGunn said:
Ummm Sir, I am analyzing the situation for discussion purposes, primary reason for this forum, No? As far as TSA comment is concerned, I'll pretend your juvenile and sophomoric behavior as a first time mistake.
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If you want to have a discussion, here it is:
I'm not sure that there is a SOP for this kind of situation. The FO alone in the cockpit was clearly a better choice than having the captain in there. If you really think otherwise, then your thought processes need some serious work. Your sentence structure could use some work also.
 
XLR99 said:
Again, don't assume that this was a psych issue. As we've discussed, there are many medical conditions that could have caused this.
We're not doing this guy and his family any good to keep referring to it as "Panic Attack', 'Mental Breakdown' etc. Who knows how many media bottom-feeders read these forums hoping for something to confirm their 'diagnosis'.
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I wasnt trying to say that the guy had a psychological episode, was just responding to the joke about pilots taking prozac.
 
TopGunn said:
Ummm Sir, I am analyzing the situation for discussion purposes, primary reason for this forum, No? As far as TSA comment is concerned, I'll pretend your juvenile and sophomoric behavior as a first time mistake.
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Ok then. The FO saw a threat to the security of the aircraft. He needed the CA to leave. The CA stormed out. The FO didn't have control over that. The FO wasn't going to wait for an FA to step in because the CA could double back.
Regs can be broken when the safety of the aircraft is at stake.
 
To prevent the F/Os or any crew from having to improvise the Operations Manuals need to be expanded to cover such instances

Psychotic Episodes
  • Captain pg P-1
  • F/O pg P-2
  • F/A pg P-3
  • Unbelted Children pg P-4
  • Argumentative Parents pg P-5
 
dasleben said:
This is why flying soldiers is really nice. Very respectful. No drama or sarcastic remarks.

...freight would still be even better. :)
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I did an 82nd Airborne charter on the 9 last year and I was blown away at the efficiency at which they loaded and even more so by the absolute graciousness that they exhibited throughout the operation. It made a lasting impact and I'm grateful for the experience.
 
You know what would be interesting in this thread, and perhaps even useful? If we could get the good doctor out of the aeromedical forum to briefly list some possible physiological things that could have led to a breakdown like this. Not that we would be speculating that this DID happen or not, just a heads up for some of the things that can happen at altitude and perhaps some warning signs.
 
FlyingScot said:
To prevent the F/Os or any crew from having to improvise the Operations Manuals need to be expanded to cover such instances

Psychotic Episodes
  • Captain pg P-1
  • F/O pg P-2
  • F/A pg P-3
  • Unbelted Children pg P-4
  • Argumentative Parents pg P-5
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Great, more stuff that I can go "Well I don't have that memorized, but it's in section ____ of the now thousand page FOM..." with.

In an old company flight manual for the Martin 404, by TWA, each page has at the bottom "Nothing in this manual replaces the use of good judgment on the firing line." Best. Disclaimer. Ever.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
In an old company flight manual for the Martin 404, by TWA, each page has at the bottom "Nothing in this manual replaces the use of good judgment on the firing line." Best. Disclaimer. Ever.
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I like that, a LOT!

Trusting your pilots to make decisions based on logic, what's happening at the moment and trusting in their training & experience. Wow.
 
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