JetBlue captain subdued after pounding on cockpit

Nah, it wasn't directed at you.

Ignore my post. Let me back pedal a bit. I was looking at it more from an HR perspective. Which is funny because I think HR priciples are a joke. Psyche theories>HR, even though they coincide a little.


If this is something simple thay doesn't involve certain medicines to treat, I'd be cool with that. I don't believe in giving people pills for most mental ailments. While it does work in the short term, I've seen first hand what happens. The dosage works most of the time, but say the medicine is forgotten, taken at the wrong time, or they just plain don't control the person's ailment against the circumstances of that particular day. I'm jumping to conclusions I know. This guy could just be one of those type A guys that had his buttons pushed and reacted aggressively. Akin to the guy thay flips you off in traffic for driving slowly. He's taking the proper steps in the criminal justice system to stay out of jail/prison. About the only thing we can say with certainty at this point.

I doubt he'll fly in the 121 world ever again as he's plead not guilty by reason of insanity for one of the crimes you absolutely can not have according to the TSA and DHS.

The only other argument I'll make just for arguments sake. Say something similar to this happened while he was a CFI or flying freight. Surely a 121 operator wouldn't hire someone with something like tgis on their record, so why should they be allowed to stay in? This isn't necessarily my view, just curious. Again this is looking at it more from the HR side.

It just seems like so much emphasis is placed on one's past when trying to get a job, but then when things happen ON the job it siddenly becomes a "treatable issue" and one gets a free pass so to speak. My personal belief is that our past, both negative and positive, are what define us in the present and the past is irrelrvant.
 
Look at the recently-resigned Secretary of Commerce Bryson. Hit and run accidents (multiple) in a short period of time, etc. This was completely out of character for the guy, he was examined, at no point was "drunk" brought up - by law enforcement or the victims in the crashes, etc. He claimed seizure of some kind, was hospitalized, and low and behold there are going to be no charges pressed - even for the hit and run part - which tells me that they found that he had a seizure, or there was evidence of some kind of physical abnormality that led to his deficits that day.

I was pulling for something like that in this case - but wouldn't they have identified that by this point? If they are declaring him "not-guilty for insanity" my assumption is that the "physiological reasons" ship has sailed. So, if he did temporarily wig-out - I'm not sure he should keep his job. Disability for sure, but I'm not sure he should keep his job.
 
I think you have overstepped your knowledge talking about medicine to control psyche conditions - your minor is psyche isn't an MD.
 
Pilot Osbon, not out of the woods.

DALLAS (AP) — The JetBlue Airways pilot who disrupted a cross-country flight by leaving the cockpit and yelling about religion and terrorists has had a psychotic episode in prison and requires further mental evaluation, a judge said Wednesday.

Clayton Osbon was charged with interference with a flight crew, but was found not guilty by reason of insanity last month. A forensic neuropsychologist testified in a short, unpublicized trial that Osbon had a "brief psychotic disorder" at the time of the flight brought on by lack of sleep.

Passengers said Osbon left the cockpit during a March 27 flight from New York to Las Vegas. He ran through the plane's cabin yelling about Jesus and al-Qaida. The flight was diverted and safely landed in Amarillo, Texas.

After the trial, Osbon was sent to a prison medical facility in North Carolina for evaluation. He was scheduled to return to Amarillo federal court this week for another hearing on whether he should go free or be sent to a mental health facility.

Instead, U.S. District Judge Mary Lou Robinson on Wednesday extended Osbon's evaluation period to Oct. 15, with a final evaluation report due to her by the end of that month.

Robinson said she was notified by a forensic psychologist that Osbon "had suffered a psychotic episode." She did not say what the nature of the episode was, if it was connected to his previous disorder or what prompted it. A message seeking comment was left for Osbon's attorney, Dean Roper.

Robinson's order said attorneys on both sides did not oppose the extension.

Neuropsychologist Robert E.H. Johnson testified in July that Osbon's psychotic disorder lasted about a week after the flight, according to a hearing transcript. He didn't say how long Osbon had gone without sleeping before boarding the plane, and his psychiatric evaluation of Osbon has been sealed, but he determined Osbon suffered from brief psychotic disorder and delusions "secondary to sleep deprivation."

Those symptoms made Osbon incapable of understanding why his actions on the flight were wrong, Johnson testified.

Osbon showed up unusually late for the March 27 flight. The plane was in midair when he told his first officer that they wouldn't make it to their destination, according to court documents.

Osbon started rambling about religion. He scolded air traffic controllers to quiet down, then turned off the radios altogether and dimmed the monitors in the cockpit. He said aloud that "things just don't matter" and encouraged his co-pilot they take a leap of faith.

The first officer then "became really worried," according to a sworn affidavit from FBI agent John Whitworth. "Osbon started trying to correlate completely unrelated numbers like different radio frequencies, and he talked about sins in Las Vegas."

A flight attendant's ribs were bruised as passengers tried to restrain Osbon, but no one on board was seriously injured.

At least 10 passengers have sued JetBlue over the incident.
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Story here:

http://news.yahoo.com/jetblue-pilot-psychotic-episode-prison-194706790.html
 
Sleep deprivation... I'm no expert at all but don't JB pilots have decent work rules? Even still no excuse for his actions. I would think some regional carriers suffer from more fatigued pilots than JB?
 
deadstick said:
Well...got that right.

Unless you're a neuro doc of some fashion who has read his file, has interviewed him, and is just moonlighting as pilot, leave it alone. Many who know the guy have said this event was shocking because acting like this is not in his nature.
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I say the same thing to the armchair accident investigators we have on here who have all the answers and conclusions to whichever accident of the day gets posted.....but no one takes the advice.:D
 
This case just baffles me completely. I was of the "physiological problem" crowd - but wouldn't his pleading insanity negate that? I mean, if it was a reaction to medicine, or a physiological thing - wouldn't they have handled it like the former Commerce Sec and his car wrecks in LA due to seizure?

Just baffled and weird.
 
Sleep deprivation.... That's interesting. Just a really sad situation. Here is a 49 year old guy, accomplished pilot, stable income, married, family, and for no real explainable reason had a psychotic break. I bet he never imagined ending up in jail, and then a hospital after waking up to go fly that morning. I'm sure the FO thought they were going to have a routine, run of the mill day. Instead it altered his life for no other reason than dumb luck.

These are the situations that I feel terribly for the people involved. All of them. Mr Osbon, the FO, his wife, family, and his co-workers. I hope that it isn't a career ender, and I hope that he can get back to flying if that's what he wants to do. Hoping for a full recovery.
 
nocturnalaviator said:
Sleep deprivation... I'm no expert at all but don't JB pilots have decent work rules? Even still no excuse for his actions. I would think some regional carriers suffer from more fatigued pilots than JB?
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The sleep deprivation doesn't have to be linked to his job. I suffer from it from time to time and it isn't at all related to my work schedule.
 
MikeD said:
I say the same thing to the armchair accident investigators we have on here who have all the answers and conclusions to whichever accident of the day gets posted.....but no one takes the advice.:D
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True, although there are few official accident reports that seem to get it right either. AF447 is an exception, a rare example of how to do it right.
 
seagull said:
True, although there are few official accident reports that seem to get it right either. AF447 is an exception, a rare example of how to do it right.
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Depends on the accident. Ive seen ones that are very spot-on, all the way to ones at the opposite end of the spectrum.
 
Well...got that right.

Unless you're a neuro doc of some fashion who has read his file, has interviewed him, and is just moonlighting as pilot, leave it alone. Many who know the guy have said this event was shocking because acting like this is not in his nature.[/quote]

I dont think i made any assumptions in this post just questions, for christ sake.


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