Jet On Fire at LAS

JeppUpdater said:
Any "large airport" is going to be landing and departing on parallels, so that's hardly an issue.

And as @Cptnchia said, poor spacing is not our problem anyway.

But...I guess you've "forgotten more than most know", so I surely apologize! :rolleyes:
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Same team. Be safe(I don't agree with being rushed to the point that one is cleared for takeoff when the prior departure still has its nosewheel on the runway), but as a general principal, help them out and they'll help you out. Spacing between strings of arrivals isn't the local controllers fault either, but they still do their best to keep you guys moving. With airports at capacity everyone has to do what they have to do to keep the music going. I've been yelled at by CFIs for making safe but aggressive maneuvers to accommodate ATC to which my response has been along the lines of "Did I almost hit something/stall/spin? No? Mmmkay so what are we talking about?". Some pilots REALLY don't like to be asked to do anything out of the ordinary...at all I've noticed.
 
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MikeD said:
When I see this, I still am always reminded of the Fedex 647 crash at MEM, where the crew was taking the time to toss out bags and Christmas presents, instead of evacing the fire/smoke filled cabin.

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That is one of the most ridiculous things I've ever seen
 
ChasenSFO said:
I wonder about those feeds sometimes. I've heard some "uh oh" moments at SFO that could have attracted media attention only to find the archive "down" for that time period when I go back to grab it for myself though the files before/after the event work fine. A friend saved/uploaded the clip edited out the downtime:
https://clyp.it/jrvdzhrw
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It is crazy who is listening. I had a gear emergency in JFK a few years back. I went to find the archive on liveatc.net and someone had already edited it into a very nice MP3 file with only the pertinent radio calls and no pauses.
 
MikeD said:
What? If the Captain were true upper-lip British, he'd have made a calm PA announcement of "right, now if you'll have a look out the left side of the aircraft, you may notice a light spot of fire occurring. For that reason, we will have to deplane forthright and without delay. So, if you will please prepare to exit by row to the doors being opened by our Attendants at this time, we can proceed. Please leave all carryons and other personal items behind.Thank you again for flying British Airways."

And selfies. I want selfies.......
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Listening to the liveatc.net recording, that's pretty much how they sounded on the radio.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Ironically the CRJ cabin trainer came to us the same way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Canada_Flight_646
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Woah, I remember you telling me back in the day that it was in an accident, but that's one hell of a crash sequence. Lucky they all walked away...

Screaming_Emu said:
Watching this video gave me a thought. That thought is how much it must suck to be vegas style hungover and have to evacuate a plane because it is on fire.
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I thought the same thing. If there is ever a scenario I hope I never have to evacuate, it's departing Vegas...
 
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So does wake turbulence not matter in this case or has there been lots of practice involved? Also you mentioned SAC, guessing it is Strategic Air Command, is there an official term for this kind of launch?
 
TomcatG said:
So does wake turbulence not matter in this case or has there been lots of practice involved? Also you mentioned SAC, guessing it is Strategic Air Command, is there an official term for this kind of launch?
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Minimum Interval TakeOff, or MITO. It's the method of getting the tankers and bombers into the air as fast as possible, when Soviet ICBMs were inbound to the USA.

With inbound nukes, things like wake turbulence, engine failures, V1, Minimum Equipment List, no crew meals or coffee, and passenger comfort, etc, are considered minor small potatoes. :)

You'll notice each 3-ship cell that departs, tanker cell followed by bomber cell, and repeat, the first two make a slight check turn at liftoff left or right, and the last one goes straight. That's about all the consideration there is. And if you have to abort......and it better be a damned good reason to (as you have literally minutes of your life remaining if you don't get to a bunker)......you wait until downfield before popping the drag chute and getting on the brakes...or just getting on the brakes if a tanker.
 
MikeD said:
Minimum Interval TakeOff, or MITO. It's the method of getting the tankers and bombers into the air as fast as possible, when Soviet ICBMs were inbound to the USA.
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Ah........ the Cold War........those were the good old days.

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