On the bus, I’d probably just land. Maybe crank an APU?
Jeju Air 737-800 gear up landing slams into wall
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On the bus, I’d probably just land. Maybe crank an APU?
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
1st step of any drama. Non-memory memory item.
I did that in the sim one day.
“Why’d you crank the APU?”
“Well, something tactile to do until I get my sh— together”
juxtapilot
Snowflake
The Airbus was created so crews with minimal skills could safely operate the airplane. If a foreign carrier decided to go around to secure the engine they would probably be fine. With that said…
Airbus has indicated that the landing distance differences between two engines and one engine inop is negligible and thus you don’t need to run a new landing data assessment.
If you’re configured on final, stabilized and something like that happens doesn’t the old adage go if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it? Land the plane and deal with it. I know one sim instructor who would roll his eyes if someone went around due to an engine failure on final…
Pilot Fighter
Well-Known Member
Unscheduled test. It appears to be operative.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
From talking to instructors who do maneuvers validation, the S/E go around seems to be the most screwed up procedure - in terms of callouts and actually properly flying it out.
Why do you think I tasted the sweet sweet myrrh of Airbus and never left the platform?
Seriously, worse comes to worst, autopilot on, press the approach pushbutton, second autopilot, (on the 320) auto brakes medium, Fifi is happier without you.
Hey @juxtapilot - do you guys still have a QRH? We’re moving toward a system where as long as the ECAM is lights out, go land.
Sometimes.“Callouts”
Why single pilot rules. And flying by committee sucks.
“You want the flaps?”
“No”
“How about now?”
“We’re literally 30 knots above green dot”
“We just feel slow, do you want some flaps now?”
We had a good chat about systems knowledge, airplane performance and how the 350 is NOT a 320” (Severely low clean speed for a jet its size)
Turn an air emergency into a ground emergency as soon as it’s safe to do so. The worse the emergency, the more this is important.
Love the fixed-wing transition pilots I get. Give them some critical emergency. And they turn towards an airport 10 miles away and start hightailing it to there. Uh……that open field right there about 1/8 of a mile from us will work just fine. Habits.,
Love the fixed-wing transition pilots I get. Give them some critical emergency. And they turn towards an airport 10 miles away and start hightailing it to there. Uh……that open field right there about 1/8 of a mile from us will work just fine. Habits.,
How the crash axe doesn’t become part of this conversation as an answer, I’ll never know…..
How the crash axe doesn’t become part of this conversation as an answer, I’ll never know…..
I’m sure I’m on his no-fly list now, but that’s alright.
I think the comment “If you have any edibles, I need you to take one right now. Totally serious” was the last straw when he kept his hand hovering over the flap lever.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I was talking about that in the sim the other day. Unless terrain is an issue, all go arounds should involve 30 seconds if flying straight ahead to give us time to remove our heads from our asses.
We brief “intermediate” go around now. It’s basically that. “I’m going to press altitude hold, count to three, dial-in whatever ATC says to do and go from there”.
MOST ‘missed approaches” you do are nothing other than discontinued approaches.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Yup. I had one of those last trip that was an absolute S show.
Doing upgrade OE and it was snowing at the destination. They asked us to haul ass to the marker (be careful what you wish for). They decided to close the other runway for snow clearing and stuck a medevac in front of us. I’ve seen this movie before, so I ask if they’d like us to slow, they repeat the previous instruction.
CA had briefed, like most do, “in case of go around we’ll get the autopilot on at 250’, LNAV at 400’, VNAV at 1000…”
If we go around at the MAP and fly published, that’s great. But when they finally caught up to reality they gave us a heading and a 1500’ climb.
Long story less long, it was a stupid long two leg day and there were some automation issues and some communication trip ups, but eventually we got it going the right direction.
Now I insist the review discuss a more appropriate level of detail for both a sim style missed and a more realistic scenario.
Airliner 123, discontinue approach, turn left heading 100, climb and maintain 3000.
TOGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Look at her go LOOKIT HER GO!
Just hand fly the missed of its a heading change and a short climb. Can always engage stuff once on a settled heading, altitude or climb. Or, just keep flying it.
Had to go around the other week for someone who missed their exit and were dilly dallying to the next one, about a mile out or so, all VMC Wx Advance the power (no need for TOGA at all) some to transition to a level off clean up the flaps to 5, gear up. Start a slight climb at that time (couldn’t climb above 1000 AGL until 1 mile past the departure end) while the other guy requests departure end closed traffic. Gets approved, advance the throttles and climbing turn to downwind at departure end, 1500 AGL/180 kts and start configuring again to hit the 180/base, landing checklist, and land again. No need to make rocket science out of it. Even if an IMC missed, no need to make it something complex.
Had to go around the other week for someone who missed their exit and were dilly dallying to the next one, about a mile out or so, all VMC Wx Advance the power (no need for TOGA at all) some to transition to a level off clean up the flaps to 5, gear up. Start a slight climb at that time (couldn’t climb above 1000 AGL until 1 mile past the departure end) while the other guy requests departure end closed traffic. Gets approved, advance the throttles and climbing turn to downwind at departure end, 1500 AGL/180 kts and start configuring again to hit the 180/base, landing checklist, and land again. No need to make rocket science out of it. Even if an IMC missed, no need to make it something complex.