I wondered that I was typing it out. I suppose it might not sink much at that rate of speed. Thanks
Jeju Air 737-800 gear up landing slams into wall
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I wondered that I was typing it out. I suppose it might not sink much at that rate of speed. Thanks
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I get that, but they don’t seem shy to spend money on infrastructure.
The “follow the greens” taxi system in ICN should be the world standard. You call for taxi and the centerline lights in front of you light up and you follow them. The clearance they give you is literally just to follow the greens to wherever they want you to go.
They’re redoing one if the runways at the moment, but when there isn’t construction going on they generally have, at most, 3-5 NOTAMS.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
JordanD
Here so I don’t get fined
I never really got that philosophy, it seems like a great way to bungle some things up especially in a place that has a relatively complex single engine missed procedure.
Buddy of mine was telling me the earthen dirt berm around the reinforced concrete LOC antenna base that was at the air bases there such as Seosan and Suwon that ive seen, is for typhoon damage protection. Having had those systems destroyed during damaging winds and rain.
Hammertime
Well-Known Member
Uh, I mean every airline training program I have been through trains that if an engine fails inside the FAF, (aircraft specific stuff here), secure and continue. But, YMMV...
Toobdrvr
Estrellas Asesino
More than once, I’ve had a sim situation where I’ve said “We’re gonna continue and land straight ahead”, and the sim instructor whispers in my ear “Go ahead and go-around anyway”.
In the debrief, instructor says “That was a solid, real-world decision you made, but I just wanted to see a single-engine GA and watch you guys work the problem”.
There’s no really good way to set that up. Maybe call a truck on the rwy and bang the motor on the go?
In the debrief, instructor says “That was a solid, real-world decision you made, but I just wanted to see a single-engine GA and watch you guys work the problem”.
There’s no really good way to set that up. Maybe call a truck on the rwy and bang the motor on the go?
roundout
VNAV monitor
Flaps 15, bug +15 knots, turn the autobrakes to max if you're worried about landing distance, land.
🦈💜
Well-Known Member
Not here, actually.
Toobdrvr
Estrellas Asesino
One notable time, waaaaay back (1999), I was in a BE99 sim in BUR (go figure). We had an engine issue on approach into LAX. Once we worked the problem and were all set to land, I decided to try and earn a little extra credit:
To FO: “Call company on 2 and let ‘em know the plane will be down in LAX”.
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to BUR”
Me: “Unable”
(Tooling around SoCal single-engine in IMC for company convenience seemed like a bad idea)
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to BUR”
Me: “Unable”
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to…” Click.
(I reached up and turned off VHF #2)
Sim goes dark, and I wake up in the CPO…
To FO: “Call company on 2 and let ‘em know the plane will be down in LAX”.
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to BUR”
Me: “Unable”
(Tooling around SoCal single-engine in IMC for company convenience seemed like a bad idea)
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to BUR”
Me: “Unable”
IP: “AMFXXX, bring the plane back to…” Click.
(I reached up and turned off VHF #2)
Sim goes dark, and I wake up in the CPO…
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Our 737 shop has a section for engine failure on final approach. Bottom line, continue with flaps set to 15.
Um, why?
You’re lined up to land. One motor still going. The runway is right there. What do you possibly hope to accomplish by doing a single engine go around?
Barring some runway length issue where a flaps 15 landing isn’t possible, I don’t see the problem. Luckily our manual allows us to continue and land.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
I was peripherally involved with the PSA overrun in CRW. Zodiac is pretty much the only US manufacturer of emas, and they certify theirs for stopping aircraft traveling up to 55 knots. That CRJ was going considerably faster when it entered the emas and stopped 130 feet in.
///AMG
Well-Known Member
Throughout the history of modern jet transport aviation, there is a pretty high correlation between coming in contact with a LOC antenna (either on approach or aborted takeoff) and most people ending up dead. And if you are in the cockpit, I think its nearly 100% death rate. Has happened too many times to even list here
mightynimbus
Well-Known Member
The shots I've seen of the perimeter fence, show it as a pretty robust installation, Certainly not a chain link regular. More Prison yard I bean construction. with razor wire in abundance.
When I saw it I wondered if it is a dystopian zombie apocalypse just outside the airport grounds.
It may not have been as bad, but it still would have been very bad
mightynimbus
Well-Known Member
disregard, it seems well covered upthread already,
on another note, sign language lady sure likes the "Hang loose Hawaii" gesture
I’m sure there a small fudge factor in there speed-wise where it will still work. The manufacturers probably keep the cert speed a little lower if only for liability reasons.
Inverted
mmmmmm wine
I would say most airports.
Richman
JC’s Resident Curmudgeon
CRW is one of my last picks to land short or long, in the lower 48 at least.
