Jeju Air 737-800 gear up landing slams into wall

Boris Badenov said:
Mentour (who is the one aviation YouTuber I can stand) did one on this. He's of course very careful not to openly speculate, but reading between the lines and being That Guy who Speculates, dual engine failure, didn't start the APU. It's amazing to me that a 2000s 737-800 could have a CVR/FDR that stopped recording if the engines quit, but so it seems to be.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GbmGUk8Y0M
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It boggles my mind that CVR isn’t just a microsd and like 10 hours of recording before it loops
 
jhugz said:
Flaps 40 landings, no problem, Flaps 1 takeoffs, I refuse. Ever since I got the fourth bar, haven’t done a single one.
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I noticed that it was kind of a cultural thing at U if the numbers came back for flap 1 the CAs would want you to run numbers again for 5. At my current place, nobody cares at all. I asked once when I was new if they wanted me to re run it for 5 and you'd think I'd have asked if the Pope is Hindu.
 
roundout said:
I noticed that it was kind of a cultural thing at U if the numbers came back for flap 1 the CAs would want you to run numbers again for 5. At my current place, nobody cares at all. I asked once when I was new if they wanted me to re run it for 5 and you'd think I'd have asked if the Pope is Hindu.
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Lot of weird quarks over here, especially from the Continental side, but this one I get. Why fly the airplane closer to the edge to save a couple bucks on the takeoff? It’s not gonna make or break my profit sharing check.

You want to really blow someone’s mind at the U, go direct somewhere without abeams. That one, I don’t get.
 
jhugz said:
Flaps 40 landings, no problem, Flaps 1 takeoffs, I refuse. Ever since I got the fourth bar, haven’t done a single one.
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90+% of takeoffs I watch from the jump seat on the 737 are “1, 1, 1, green.”

What’s the problem?
 
jhugz said:
Lot of weird quarks over here, especially from the Continental side, but this one I get. Why fly the airplane closer to the edge to save a couple bucks on the takeoff? It’s not gonna make or break my profit sharing check.

You want to really blow someone’s mind at the U, go direct somewhere without abeams. That one, I don’t get.
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I agree. 5 is way more comfortable.

Conversely, it's nice not to not have to build the panel and box including Vref40+70 climb to 3000 afe, And bug EO acceleration altitude in the BARO, And do every preflight, all with a 45 minute showtime.
 
jhugz said:
You want to really blow someone’s mind at the U, go direct somewhere without abeams. That one, I don’t get.
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Haha! Have seen some like that. My objective is to shorten the legs page as much as I can. Don’t need crap filing it up that I’m not flying to now anyway. 😆
 
Autothrust Blue said:
Vtire = ???
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225 mph (because I can see that in the Guppy cockpit....)

Flaps 1 and 5 both are rather, meh, when it comes to getting the nose up without thinking you're gonna whack the tail. Flaps 15 or 25 the dang thing practically hovers off the ground one it get's up to speed. But then rotation and initial climb are the only places I've become a HUD cripple though oddly enough my recent foray into "HGS INOP" land netted me one of the best rotation's I've had in a long time according to the printout.

jhugz said:
You want to really blow someone’s mind at the U, go direct somewhere without abeams. That one, I don’t get.
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For us the only real reason for abeams is to avoid getting messages from dispatch wanting position reports since it auto sends them past every fix if we leave them in. Or at least that's what the LCA who told me to always use abeams said...
 
Karnage said:
225 mph (because I can see that in the Guppy cockpit....)
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= 195 knots, which rings a bell as an industry standard figure that I can’t quite put a finger on.

Karnage said:
Flaps 1 and 5 both are rather, meh, when it comes to getting the nose up without thinking you're gonna whack the tail. Flaps 15 or 25 the dang thing practically hovers off the ground one it get's up to speed.
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I’d be curious as to how the second segments really compare.

Karnage said:
For us the only real reason for abeams is to avoid getting messages from dispatch wanting position reports since it auto sends them past every fix if we leave them in. Or at least that's what the LCA who told me to always use abeams said...
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Not lore, fact.
 
We only use flaps 1 in the 700 here, the 800/Max8 all start with flaps 5 for tail strike protection.

The reason here for abeams here is to keep the winds aloft in the FMC for the enroute fixes you are going past.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I’d be curious as to how the second segments really compare.
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Anecdotally, flaps 10 and higher are noticeably higher rates at a steeper angle though that's with both spinning. Flaps 1 and 5, especially in a 900 are very much "CR2 on a warm day in Denver"-esqe when it comes to initial climb performance at least in feel.
 
arkflyr said:
We only use flaps 1 in the 700 here, the 800/Max8 all start with flaps 5 for tail strike protection.

The reason here for abeams here is to keep the winds aloft in the FMC for the enroute fixes you are going past.
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Just based on taxiing behind y’all you seem to use 1 quite a lot on the 700s.
 
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