Japan Airlines flight on fire

There actually are several ULCCs in Japan. It's just that the people that fly on them are better behaved than over here.

I've taken Peach and Spring flights. Pretty on par with Spirit as far as level of service, but way, way different passengers.
I think that is exactly what he meant. It's not the product, its the crowd. I don't know how Spirit got the way it is, honestly. In the DC9\MD80 days for Spirit, they were not infamous for trashy problematic pax. Allegiant was the first to be, but now you barely hear a peep about them and all my flights on them post-Airbus transition have been unremarkable (And I've always been using OAK\SCK for those flights which are both ratchet cities). In the MD-80 days I have plenty of stories about both pax and sketchy stuff from the company, but now they're just as unremarkable to fly as Avelo. Frontier has gotten worse and worse, tho. I only have 7 legs on Spirit, and I have stories about each flight LOL. It's not a ULCC problem, its an Urban 'murkieh problem I guess.

I've never heard 11 individual songs played on cellphone speakers across an A320 on Allegiant. I have on Spirit and Frontier more than once each lol. But Asiana recently had a pax successfully open the L3 door I think on an A321 on approach and an ANA 747-400D was once hijacked by a flight simmer who stabbed the captain to death and went on a joy ride around Tokyo with 500+ of his closest friends, so its not like Asia doesn't have its crazies. They're just more introverted. Until they aren't.

I still think pre departure beverages while boarding is one of the dumbest things that airlines do. Sure, hold up everyone on the jetway so that the job kreator in 1c can get his 6am miller lite.
Yeah on a plane boarding thru the L1 door, that would only work out well if boarding is quick. It is a nice touch tho, and on shorter routes, the pre-departure drink service is often the only drink service the premium pax get. Might as well have that 6AM beer if you paid an extra $400 for CRJ first class LOL.

I've visited the USS Arizona memorial twice. It's a solemn place and the people that take you out to it ask that you remain silent in English, Japanese, and Chinese once in the memorial because it's a graveyard on the way out in the boat. I'm unsure of the actual cultural makeup of either group each time I visited but the majority were Asian and didn't appear have heard what they were told, bunch of loud Chatty Cathies taking pictures. People say that Americans are boisterous ignorant a-holes when traveling abroad, and that is likely true but we are not the only culture full of rude, disrespectful idiots that travel. Women getting "felt up" on an overcrowded train car in Tokyo is a real problem and has been for a long time. Ever heard the term tentacle porn and wondered where it came from?
NPR once did a piece on this and Mexico City is actually the city where the highest amount of women per capita report being physically sexually assaulted on public transit. I know it doesn't all get reported obviously, but pretty much all the top cities in some study were in India, Bangladesh, West Africa, or a poorer Latin American country. It does happen in Japan, and it is true that is was so bad on one line in particular that there were segregated cars for women only for those who wanted to use them. But it isn't by any means a uniquely Japanese problem, and German porn makes Japanese porn look like Barney.

Btw, tentacle porn was literally created tongue and cheek because of Japanese censorship refusing to allow people to draw a penis (which is why to this day a lot of porn there is censored), so some hentai artists started drawing tentacles in protest but then people were like "Stop I can only fap so fast" so it ended up becoming a thing. I'm not sure where you were alluding it came from, but it has nothing to do what what you typed above lol.

Also, in my experience, the only place in Hawaii where I virtually never see Japanese tourists is Pearl Harbor and the associated tours. Maybe there will be a handful here and there, but seeing as they outnumber Americans at many tourist spots on Oahu, I've always noticed a very distinct lack of Japanese people at something like the USS Arizona Memorial. "Loud Chatty Cathies" sounds a lot more Chinese or maybe Korean than Japanese, idk why you assume they are Japanese just because "Asian".
 
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I may be in the minority on this, but I actually like Blanco's videos.

Gryder however... He can sit and spin on a pitot tube.
 
Dear Internet aviation video creators,

You people don’t have to open your mouth on everything, all the time.


The problem with these people is that they open their mouths far before investigators make any prelim statements, and they’re reaching crowds that can be completely clueless about aviation and walk away with the wrong idea (or worse, “this is why it happened, solved). I don’t watch BlancColoringBook anymore, but the little I watched does seem he tries to refrain from doing that. But still.


The worst offender is a person who actually has a thing called “Probable Cause.”
 
Remarkable this wasn’t more tragic

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That’s insane. Glad everyone was okay on the passenger airliner. Reminded me of USAir 1491 that landed on top of the Skywest Metroliner in LAX back in 1991. Oftentimes I wonder if it wouldn’t be smart when cleared to line up and wait, to offset from the centerline so you (and in this case your lights) don’t blend into the runway environment.
Generally speaking: Well done to evac so many so fast in such chaos!

Specifically speaking: In the immortal words of Nancy Reagan, "When it comes to line up and wait... JUST SAY NO."
 
HND is crazy.

You will literally change runways two to five times on arrival so perhaps (maybe, of course just spit-balling) things got out of sync for either the pilots or the controllers.
 
HND is crazy.

You will literally change runways two to five times on arrival so perhaps (maybe, of course just spit-balling) things got out of sync for either the pilots or the controllers.
My first thought was maybe the -8 was given a clearance but was not at the expected location, however as someone pointed out earlier the -8 did not appear to be moving for quite a bit before the collision. More likely they crossed the hold short line by mistake and didn't own up to it OR they didn't even know.
 
An NHK report on the accident says that the evacuation of JAL516 was completed eighteen minutes after landing - touchdown and impact at 17:47 local time, and the last person out of the plane at 18:05.

Some of our armchair sociologists would agree it's possible that a planeload of Americans might also be evacuated successfully under those circumstances. Not to take anything away from the professionalism of the crew, but any emergency responder would tell you they were very lucky to have that kind of time.
 
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Not to take anything away from the professionalism of the crew, but any emergency responder would tell you they were very lucky to have that kind of time.

Very lucky indeed. Just based on fireground video, with the severe fuel fire underneath and around the jet, any evacuation slides aft of L1/R1 were not going to last very long. And with the jet still on its main landing gear, those would be needed from L2/R2 aft. Otherwise, people are forced to jump from exits, aft of 1 into a ground fire environment, with anyone unable to do so having to wait to go “downhill” to the 1 exits where the jet is sitting in its nose.

It’s very lucky too that all onboard were able to self extricate, as firefighter rescue operations for anyone unable to, is difficult in the best of circumstances, and nearly impossible in the worst of circumstances. Chances of those truly requiring wheelchairs to self or assisted extricate are slim, and rescuing them, next to impossible in this kind of situation where time is critical.
 
Very lucky indeed. Just based on fireground video, with the severe fuel fire underneath and around the jet, any evacuation slides aft of L1/R1 were not going to last very long. And with the jet still on its main landing gear, those would be needed from L2/R2 aft. Otherwise, people are forced to jump from exits, aft of 1 into a ground fire environment, with anyone unable to do so having to wait to go “downhill” to the 1 exits where the jet is sitting in its nose.

It’s very lucky too that all onboard were able to self extricate, as firefighter rescue operations for anyone unable to, is difficult in the best of circumstances, and nearly impossible in the worst of circumstances. Chances of those truly requiring wheelchairs to self or assisted extricate are slim, and rescuing them, next to impossible in this kind of situation where time is critical.

I couldn't help but think had this been CLE-CUN the results would have been much different.

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I couldn't help but think had this been CLE-CUN the results would have been much different.

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I would’ve loved to have attended the post-incident debrief by the crash rescue crew on this one, as the challenges they faced were numerous. For one, they had to run split fireground ops, with X number of vehicles and personnel going to the Dash 8 crash scene and working it. The now-reduced force of trucks and firefighters have to go to the A350. If it had been a small or even larger but very localized fire, such as a landing gear or in one particular area, fire crews could focus firefighting in that area while pax evacuate. However, in this instance, they’ve got a large working fire that’s still spreading and they have pax starting to evacuate. With that large of a fire, the firefighting focus now becomes protection of the L/R 2/3/4 exits and those trying to utilize the slides, as well as protection of the slides themselves and the ground around the slides. That’s at least 4 to 6 trucks dedicated to just that task with this large of an aircraft, which cannot be utilized to fight the bulk of the still-spreading fire in and around the rest of the aircraft. What remaining firefighters there are, would be used for handline operations and what exterior rescue assistance they can provide. At a given exit door, pax can either exit, or firefighters can attempt to enter….but both cannot be done at the same time using the same door. And, there comes a point with any interior or cargo area fire where firefighters cannot enter anyway due to the structural integrity of the floor being compromised. All of these become large challenges in a very time critical situation, choosing when to do which operation, is key for the fireground commander, and likely why the aircraft ended up fully burned out…..the fireground commander making decisions on priorities of operations.
 
Did they even know about a Dash 8?


In the Linate disaster, everyone went for the MD83. They didn’t even know a Corpie was burning until a good while later. It was said had emergency services reached them in time, some in the Corpie would have survived.


In this case, you see a long streak of fire behind an A350. My thought if I was on scene would be that this whole flaming trail IS the A350.
 
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