Instructor Layoffs

But then they got desparate and over hired and essentially hired anyone with a CFI.

I thought it was poor when they hired people without CFII...
 
soonerpilot06 said:
That would be good. When bLiz and I were hired, it was a requirement. Single engine standardization covered VFR, IFR and the Arrow. There will be much better IP utilization this way.
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Well not everybody has the money to pay for it, I had to pay out of my pockets my training at FSA, no loan, so at the end of my CFI there was no way I could invest more money.....and I was glad they hired me.
 
I'm glad for you that you got hired. I was told by someone (take that with a grain of salt) that years ago you had to have 500 dual given before FSA would consider you for an IP position. That includes academy graduates. Either way it sucks about the layoffs and hopefully those let go will be back soon.
 
soonerpilot06 said:
I'm glad for you that you got hired. I was told by someone (take that with a grain of salt) that years ago you had to have 500 dual given before FSA would consider you for an IP position. That includes academy graduates. Either way it sucks about the layoffs and hopefully those let go will be back soon.
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Now I m glad I don t work there anymore, at least for this FSA, one of my former students told me that he went to complain to the CM because his instructor does not fly him enough, MR DG gave him homework to do...is this a joke????????????????

They scheduled the Comm Ground school from 1200 to 1900 to accommodate contracts, and the instructor of some of the non-contracts students does not want to fly him because he thinks is not able to handle both (scared of beeing fired), when the student is willing to fly because he wants to be done. This student keeps asking to fly, but his intsructor can't because he would bust the max time. To get is last lesson done this student had to wait 2 weeks, last lesson before 4b ck ride!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Actually the student did not got his flight done today, the IP was an hour late, took 2 hours to do the brief/mock oral portion while the weather was good and clear and the TAF was looking bad in 2-2.5 hours.......
 
Possible solutions to these problems. All it takes is a bit of effort and organization to get it done.

1. SPs who wish to use FSA's printers purchase a copycard, load it up with $20, $50, $100 and print as much or as little as they choose. 10c to 15c per page is reasonable. FSA makes money and the customer's satisfied. Too easy. Public libraries do it so why not FSA?

2. If FSA has to be closed down a couple days a week then make it Saturdays and Sundays instead of Wednesdays after 6pm and Sundays. A real weekend for everyone. Not making more money or getting more hours but a couple days on the golf course or beach each week and morale might go up.

3. Assign a certain number of IPs to the contract students, and a certain number of IPs to the self-financing students. Ensure that both groups have adequate numbers of instructors to meet their flight training needs.

4. Reduce the cost of the ground school. $23/hour is what you pay a tutor for 1-on-1 time, not to be 1-of-20 students in a classroom. $4,000 for 10 weeks of ground schools? Awwww...wtf? One can always go elsewhere. FSA could also make this free for the self-financed students and they'll attract more students to the academy, which leads to more instructor jobs. Perhaps FSA could charge the contract-airlines more for the ground school in order to compensate. The ab-initio pilot training is peanuts to the airlines, so a couple grand one way or the other will not make a difference for them, but it will and does for the self-financed boys and girls.

DoubleD
 
DoubleDelta said:
Possible solutions to these problems. All it takes is a bit of effort and organization to get it done.

1. SPs who wish to use FSA's printers purchase a copycard, load it up with $20, $50, $100 and print as much or as little as they choose. 10c to 15c per page is reasonable. FSA makes money and the customer's satisfied. Too easy. Public libraries do it so why not FSA?

2. If FSA has to be closed down a couple days a week then make it Saturdays and Sundays instead of Wednesdays after 6pm and Sundays. A real weekend for everyone. Not making more money or getting more hours but a couple days on the golf course or beach each week and morale might go up.

3. Assign a certain number of IPs to the contract students, and a certain number of IPs to the self-financing students. Ensure that both groups have adequate numbers of instructors to meet their flight training needs.

4. Reduce the cost of the ground school. $23/hour is what you pay a tutor for 1-on-1 time, not to be 1-of-20 students in a classroom. $4,000 for 10 weeks of ground schools? Awwww...wtf? One can always go elsewhere. FSA could also make this free for the self-financed students and they'll attract more students to the academy, which leads to more instructor jobs. Perhaps FSA could charge the contract-airlines more for the ground school in order to compensate. The ab-initio pilot training is peanuts to the airlines, so a couple grand one way or the other will not make a difference for them, but it will and does for the self-financed boys and girls.

DoubleD
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I paid 5775.00 $ for the ground school

Commercial ground school is a waste of money, 90% is taken out of Private and Instrument ground school, same power point presentations and lesson syllabus. They should make one class for both.

The only class worth to sit at FSA is CFI or PPL with Ray Williams.
 
as much as FSI costs for a self-financed student, taking away something as simple as printing is absolutely ridiculous. if anything, that's going to run potential new students away.. because I know if I was about to enroll at FSI, found out about the no paper thing.. I'd be wondering what else they were skimping on eg; maintenance..
 
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DoubleDelta said:
Possible solutions to these problems. All it takes is a bit of effort and organization to get it done.

1. SPs who wish to use FSA's printers purchase a copycard, load it up with $20, $50, $100 and print as much or as little as they choose. 10c to 15c per page is reasonable. FSA makes money and the customer's satisfied. Too easy. Public libraries do it so why not FSA?

2. If FSA has to be closed down a couple days a week then make it Saturdays and Sundays instead of Wednesdays after 6pm and Sundays. A real weekend for everyone. Not making more money or getting more hours but a couple days on the golf course or beach each week and morale might go up.

3. Assign a certain number of IPs to the contract students, and a certain number of IPs to the self-financing students. Ensure that both groups have adequate numbers of instructors to meet their flight training needs.

4. Reduce the cost of the ground school. $23/hour is what you pay a tutor for 1-on-1 time, not to be 1-of-20 students in a classroom. $4,000 for 10 weeks of ground schools? Awwww...wtf? One can always go elsewhere. FSA could also make this free for the self-financed students and they'll attract more students to the academy, which leads to more instructor jobs. Perhaps FSA could charge the contract-airlines more for the ground school in order to compensate. The ab-initio pilot training is peanuts to the airlines, so a couple grand one way or the other will not make a difference for them, but it will and does for the self-financed boys and girls.

DoubleD
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All good ideas! In these times everyone has to stay creative and positive to keep the competative edge. Hopefully the CM is factoring in all ideas.......guess we'll see.
 
students just waste paper in the library now instead of down at the flight line. Yhey come in and look up the weather, print it out and walk down to the flight line. :clap:
 
FSA did have great MX. If the planes I flew had <13,000 hours maybe they wouldn't require as much, but when they needed it, it was good.
 
ParrotheadJGR11 said:
because I know if I was about to enroll at FSI, found out about the no paper thing.. I'd be wondering what else they were skimping on eg; maintenance..
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I am by no means a company man but honestly That is ridiculous, and untrue. anyway....The amount of paper wasted at FSA is insane. Between W+B for every flight, 2 tags for every flight, grade sheet for every flight, useless pages in student log books, students printing out 17 pages of weather, 16 of which contain useless information with regards to their flight. IP time sheets in mailboxes every 2 weeks is also a waste.( we all have access to the ADP website) I'd be interested to see the bill for all this paper per year. Dispatch could very easily be paperless, or close to it. Also, having a 1/2 hour IP meeting on how to input grades into AMS by yourself would save a ton over paper over a years time, not to mention how it would free up a certain someone's time that spends a good portion of a day inputting grades. That took about 3 minutes of thought. It kinda blows that the first thing to happen is that people get laid off just because it's the easiest solution at the time.

On a second note, I think the "printing card" is a great idea. That is how most colleges do it. Why should a student be "entitled" to free paper just because they attend FSA? Paper costs money. Restaurants don't give free fries just because you bought a burger.
 
Well, sometimes they do give free fries...

But the amount of paper used at FSA pales in comparison to the daily paper usage at FSI centers.
 
Crockrocket94 said:
Well, sometimes they do give free fries...

But the amount of paper used at FSA pales in comparison to the daily paper usage at FSI centers.
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I could believe that. After we switched to computer grading (to cut back on paper use), they still wanted us to print copies of it. Plus, there are the old crusty instructors that know nothing about computers. They try to print charts, and end up printing 10 copies of each, when all they need is 2.
 
what is crazy is that most stuff that gets printed is going to be trashed in couple hours anyway, and FSA does not recycle the blue bins!!! they just end up in the normal trash!

they gave me an hard time because for my CFI ck ride, I did not have the 200 pages of ACs printed out, when you can just look them up on the computer...
 
Crockrocket94 said:
Well, sometimes they do give free fries...

But the amount of paper used at FSA pales in comparison to the daily paper usage at FSI centers.
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I ran a restaurant for 5 years, the fries aren't free. The price is adjusted to consider the cost of said yum yums. Maybe we can add a "paper surcharge!"
 
Well I am just saying i have gone to places where all I wanted was a burger and all they had was a burger and fries deal and you paid the same regardless.


But yeah, when FSI now went to all digital DAL's, and it has reduced the printed paper in that sector, but there is still a TON that gets used by everything under the sun. I am glad as an employee I do not have to pay for it.
 
hcaeborev said:
I am by no means a company man but honestly That is ridiculous, and untrue. anyway....The amount of paper wasted at FSA is insane. Between W+B for every flight, 2 tags for every flight, grade sheet for every flight, useless pages in student log books, students printing out 17 pages of weather, 16 of which contain useless information with regards to their flight. IP time sheets in mailboxes every 2 weeks is also a waste.( we all have access to the ADP website) I'd be interested to see the bill for all this paper per year. Dispatch could very easily be paperless, or close to it. Also, having a 1/2 hour IP meeting on how to input grades into AMS by yourself would save a ton over paper over a years time, not to mention how it would free up a certain someone's time that spends a good portion of a day inputting grades. That took about 3 minutes of thought. It kinda blows that the first thing to happen is that people get laid off just because it's the easiest solution at the time.

On a second note, I think the "printing card" is a great idea. That is how most colleges do it. Why should a student be "entitled" to free paper just because they attend FSA? Paper costs money. Restaurants don't give free fries just because you bought a burger.
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If they make it paperless, or find a way to reduce the paper usage, great... but to go from ungodly amounts of printing to saying "NO PAPER FOR YOU!" and making the SP print from their dorm (on that wonderful internet) is really dumb. I'm all for paper-reduction, but it just seems extreme to go zero printing from where they were. :beer:
 
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