In-house Delta Job Fair, October 20/21 2017

I really would like to see statistics on how many people who have went to the fairs were hired as an outcome thereof. Were they hired due to the fairs or was it some other quality that they possess that made them stand out?
 
amorris311 said:
That's an interesting take on stuffing the genie back in the bottle.
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word302 said:
LOL. We should all quit our jobs and wait for our mainline job offer.
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Do I really have to spell it out? This is not about stuffing the genie back in the bottle. That is long past. The damage was done back in the early 90s. Guys looking to short cut the traditional route to the airlines were willing to take reduced pay to build time, doing the same job. Corporate bean counters saw an opportunity to offload costs by hiring subcontractors to do the flying. Mainline pilots were blind to the scope issues. The die was cast.

Fast forward to today. Guys are still willing to take low pay for a supposed short cut. When the regionals blew up in the 00s, they sold a story of quick upgrades and moving on. Guys blinded by the "bright future" failed to do due diligence on the industry and see the pitfalls.

Even today, guys are buying the tripe regionals are selling. You can't take a job at a regional, knowing full well the pay scale, and then complain that you get paid a pittance to do the same job.

The fact is, as long as guys are willing to take the low pay to start, the cycle will repeat. We are our own worst enemy.
 
statusseeker1 said:
What's the alternative to get to the legacies right now? It seems like you only have two options: regional 121 pilot or military driver. Even as a military driver, legacies still like applicants with some 121 experience.
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Corporate and part 135 are still a viable pathway to some part 121 majors/legacies. I've been following JetBlue, Spirit, Hawaiian, and other LCCs/ACMIs who have been hiring part 135 jet pilots without any 121. Even UAL/DAL have, just not as many as previous 121 and military.
 
Cloud Surfer said:
Corporate and part 135 are still a viable pathway to some part 121 majors/legacies. I've been following JetBlue, Spirit, Hawaiian, and other LCCs/ACMIs who have been hiring part 135 jet pilots without any 121. Even UAL/DAL have, just not as many as previous 121 and military.
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Yet the most clear path to a legacy is STILL flying for a regional.
 
Cptnchia said:
Do I really have to spell it out? This is not about stuffing the genie back in the bottle. That is long past. The damage was done back in the early 90s. Guys looking to short cut the traditional route to the airlines were willing to take reduced pay to build time, doing the same job. Corporate bean counters saw an opportunity to offload costs by hiring subcontractors to do the flying. Mainline pilots were blind to the scope issues. The die was cast.

Fast forward to today. Guys are still willing to take low pay for a supposed short cut. When the regionals blew up in the 00s, they sold a story of quick upgrades and moving on. Guys blinded by the "bright future" failed to do due diligence on the industry and see the pitfalls.

Even today, guys are buying the tripe regionals are selling. You can't take a job at a regional, knowing full well the pay scale, and then complain that you get paid a pittance to do the same job.

The fact is, as long as guys are willing to take the low pay to start, the cycle will repeat. We are our own worst enemy.
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Sounds like a typical mil pilot who never flew for a regional and didn't get to experience the result of voting away scope. Sorry but as stated it's either Military or regional these days, you can't just say I don't want to fly for a regional because of the pay if you truly want to fly for a legacy, 135/corporate time doesn't help much.
 
word302 said:
Yet the most clear path to a legacy is STILL flying for a regional.
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Yes, it is. But don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to take that job, knowing full well what it entails, and then complain that you're treated like a second class citizen, like Jetdoc does?
 
ClarkGriswold said:
Sounds like a typical mil pilot who never flew for a regional and didn't get to experience the result of voting away scope. Sorry but as stated it's either Military or regional these days, you can't just say I don't want to fly for a regional because of the pay if you truly want to fly for a legacy, 135/corporate time doesn't help much.
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And yet all my time is civilian. Never flew a day in the military. I was a mud marine.

In fairness, I did fly for ASA. Yet, I knew what I was getting into. They used me as cheap labor, I used them for experience. I didn't complain about the low pay or whine about getting paid less for doing the same job.

That's my issue. Guys who take the job and then complain about getting paid less for flying the same passengers.
 
Cptnchia said:
And yet all my time is civilian. Never flew a day in the military. I was a mud marine.

In fairness, I did fly for ASA. Yet, I knew what I was getting into. They used me as cheap labor, I used them for experience. I didn't complain about the low pay or whine about getting paid less for doing the same job.

That's my issue. Guys who take the job and then complain about getting paid less for flying the same passengers.
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Well, oops....
 
Cptnchia said:
Yes, it is. But don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to take that job, knowing full well what it entails, and then complain that you're treated like a second class citizen, like Jetdoc does?
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Yes I do. My original comment was in reference to someone talking about the Endeavor guy saying how Delta wasn't his thing when in fact it is exactly his thing for a lot less money.
 
statusseeker1 said:
What's the alternative to get to the legacies right now? It seems like you only have two options: regional 121 pilot or military driver. Even as a military driver, legacies still like applicants with some 121 experience.
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Folks in my FDX class had pure 135/91... Coca Cola, Walgreens, Honeywell and Penske Motors.

But generally it's almost an even split of 121 regional and mil (or mil/121 regional).
 
Cptnchia said:
And yet all my time is civilian. Never flew a day in the military. I was a mud marine.

In fairness, I did fly for ASA. Yet, I knew what I was getting into. They used me as cheap labor, I used them for experience. I didn't complain about the low pay or whine about getting paid less for doing the same job.

That's my issue. Guys who take the job and then complain about getting paid less for flying the same passengers.
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Fix it and I'll play whatever game is necessary but until then I'll play the game that's in front of me.

But then I don't complain that often either. The equipment is well maintained, the people are pretty stellar and the view is amazing, it's not hard to hope that someday the money will be there too.

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Cptnchia said:
No ones forcing anyone to do the same job for less pay. Everyone ever hired by a regional knew the pay was way less. If no one took the job, then regionals wouldn't exist and there'd be more pilots flying for mainline carriers.
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So tell me, is it hard being so self righteous or does it come easy for you? First of all I never said I resented it. I stated that perhaps that's where some of the resentment towards the system may manifest it's self. Secondly, where or what should an aspiring mainline pilot go or do in order to gain the needed experience to join you in the big leagues? You got yours so instead of talking down to us why don't you try and help a brother out? Thirdly, try looking up the word empathy and try using it in your posts instead of coming off as an arrogant doosh.
 
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Cptnchia said:
Do I really have to spell it out? This is not about stuffing the genie back in the bottle. That is long past. The damage was done back in the early 90s. Guys looking to short cut the traditional route to the airlines were willing to take reduced pay to build time, doing the same job. Corporate bean counters saw an opportunity to offload costs by hiring subcontractors to do the flying. Mainline pilots were blind to the scope issues. The die was cast.

Fast forward to today. Guys are still willing to take low pay for a supposed short cut. When the regionals blew up in the 00s, they sold a story of quick upgrades and moving on. Guys blinded by the "bright future" failed to do due diligence on the industry and see the pitfalls.

Even today, guys are buying the tripe regionals are selling. You can't take a job at a regional, knowing full well the pay scale, and then complain that you get paid a pittance to do the same job.

The fact is, as long as guys are willing to take the low pay to start, the cycle will repeat. We are our own worst enemy.
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I don't blame guys for going to the regionals at all. I think its incumbent on the mainline pilot groups to lock up scope and prevent them from being able to take away our flying in the first place. But I take you're point that, you cant take a low paying job and then complain about it after you get it, although don't we all to an extent? :)
 
JetDoc said:
So tell me, is it hard being so self righteous or does it come easy for you? First of all I never said I resented it. I stated that perhaps that's where some of the resentment towards the system may manifest it's self. Secondly, where or what should an aspiring mainline pilot go or do in order to gain the needed experience to join you in the big leagues? You got yours so instead of talking down to us why don't you try and help a brother out? Thirdly, try looking up the word empathy and try using it in your posts instead of coming off as an arrogant doosh.
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What exactly is 'helping a brother out?'
 
JetDoc said:
So tell me, is it hard being so self righteous or does it come easy for you? First of all I never said I resented it. I stated that perhaps that's where some of the resentment towards the system may manifest it's self. Secondly, where or what should an aspiring mainline pilot go or do in order to gain the needed experience to join you in the big leagues? You got yours so instead of talking down to us why don't you try and help a brother out? Thirdly, try looking up the word empathy and try using it in your posts instead of coming off as an arrogant doosh.
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The system is what it is. It's the only game in town now. Just don't complain about doing the same job for less money. The pay difference has always been there. That's why regionals exist. To lower costs.
 
JetDoc said:
So tell me, is it hard being so self righteous or does it come easy for you? First of all I never said I resented it. I stated that perhaps that's where some of the resentment towards the system may manifest it's self. Secondly, where or what should an aspiring mainline pilot go or do in order to gain the needed experience to join you in the big leagues? You got yours so instead of talking down to us why don't you try and help a brother out? Thirdly, try looking up the word empathy and try using it in your posts instead of coming off as an arrogant doosh.
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Boobies

In all seriousness, there are just not enough mainline jobs and too many pilots still out there. I doubt that this will change because there are still pilots entering the industry and not every carrier's hiring needs will be equal at any given year. It will always be competitive.
 
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