Maurus
The Great Gazoo
I don't think they are the same standards. Pretty sure I have talked to a guy running a scope (ATC tour years ago) that was wheelchair bound for example. I'm sure other requirements would be similar though.
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NovemberEcho
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They’re slightly different. Find it strange I’m cleared to control planes carrying thousands of people but having issues to fly a 172.
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Inverted25
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They have a hard on for substance abuse. It used to be worded conviction only but then someone pointed out that a lot of first time offenders would get deals that reduced it down to a non alcohol charge so they changed it to ask for any arrests for. So they could catch the ones that plead to reckless op etc.
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NovemberEcho
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Understandable, but if charges are dismissed imo it shouldn’t be reportable. Why should I have to report something the State said I wasn’t guilty of?
Inverted25
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I don’t disagree. The FAA took the stance that you may still have a substance abuse problem even if the courts dismissed the charges. It just a subject they give extreme scrutiny
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ppragman
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Isn't this whole scenario akin to double jeopardy? I know things are weird with administrative law, but this seems fundamentally "wrong." Have you talked to your union rep or a lawyer?
Kingairer
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I cant even believe this is legal. Like the airline applications that say "have you ever been arrested even if you werent convicted". No matter the reason, if there was no conviction, that should be the end of it.
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I remember taking this position years ago and being excoriated. Because the AIRLINES need to know this stuff, because WHAT IF YOU GOT AWAY WITH SOMETHING.
Airline hiring (and the attitudes around it) are fundamentally broken.
NovemberEcho
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It doesn’t effect my ATC so no union involvement. Haven’t bothered with a lawyer yet. Maybe if I can’t get all the documents I’ll go that route.
Pilot Fighter
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Adverse adjudications can be considered in military, government, and private sector employment.
If it’s a straight dismissal without any other obligation or plea deal, I don’t think it should ever need to be reported.
NovemberEcho
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Yeah I understand someone who plea bargained down still having to report it. In my case it was straight dismissal
BEEF SUPREME
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This whole thing could be resolved with one night of Monday Night Rehabilitation…
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Shiftace
s***posting with decency. trolling with integrity.
Interesting. At my last medical - the AME handed me two copies of my medical certificate. He said "you look like the kinda guy that would leave your wallet in the washer. Here you go".
Kingairer
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We had a pilot here that had FAA in JS. When he showed him his medical, he had cut the back off the medical seeing it as superfluous information. The FAA said it was no longer valid since he cut too much off, this displeased the captain and his response was to deny the jumpseat to FAA saying he was stressing him out. Not recommended and that didnt go over well!....Its kinda ridiculous though that we get these medical forms printed off a lazer printer in a doctors office and thats our official form and cant have some sort of digital version.
schloopy
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Very sorry to hear that. When I was at the pilot mill, had a guy who started with me and was real bright, very similar situation to you that had been fully disclosed. He had also already lost tons of opportunities right when it happened and was incredibly forthright and humble about the situation. We made it all the way to instructor school and he received that same letter two days before his CFI initial. Ended his journey at least temporarily right then and there. I believe he made the most of it and worked as an AGI for several years before just getting the medical reinstated somewhat recently.
knot4u
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ppragman
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I think it's all companies - they think they own you when they "buy" you for some cost... that mindset has got to change
ppragman
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You probably should to try to head off any problems - next year you may get a letter, "hey, we noticed you submitted this paperwork for a DUI case that was dismissed from many years ago" even if you submitted it...
I'm really curious how this goes, once you comply once you should not have to comply again.
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