House committee votes to raise pilot retirement age to 67

BEEF SUPREME said:
God I wish
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Meh. Memories of high school Phys Ed. Nothing like running outside when it’s 95dF/100RH.

Equally uncomfortable was the one semester health class, where an uncomfortable phys ed teacher with 30 kids is rotely reciting county materials on delicate subjects, and you had 31 people wishing they could be ANYWHERE else.
 
Puh-lleeze

I'm in my 60's and could out PT more than half of the 30 something folks I fly with. All they do is work, sitting on the flight deck. The only exercise most of 'em get is walking from the crew bus to a crappy breakfast then to the plane.

Now if you live a sedentary lifestyle, yes, younger is better than older, but, there are plenty of fit 60+ year old folks around....and 70 and a few 80.

...off to the gym....
 
lostplanetairman said:
What an assumption! I work with only one who blew his finances after a career at Continental. Everyone else, including me, loves teaching. The difference is that I do it part time and dictate my own schedule because I have a lot of other things going on in life..
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Totally an assumption, but I’m talking mostly the guys who are working full time jobs again, in retirement. Seemingly having to, versus wanting to.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
@Richman


Sad that this is being quoted as a reason the next gen doesn’t want to enter piloting. Screw the new generation of entitled dimwits.


“Societal changes. Let's face it, flying for the airlines can be a drag. Cut your hair, clean shaven, don't do drugs, watch the meds you're on, don't be an ass on social media and plan on working most holidays and weekends to start. That's fairly incompatible for the yuuts of today. Even if you're down with most of the program, watching your friends YOLOing every night and weekend on Tak-Tik, MyFace and Snapbook while you're stuck in Muncie has to have some friction in it. ”



Oh the horror. Having to wake up early, shave, make yourself look presentable, avoid drugs and alcohol, and not be a d-bag online. Pathetic that this is the stuff the new gen needs to feel validated.
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Dude, are you ok?
 
ClearedForOption said:
I like teaching. And every time adjunct instructor posts, it doesn’t make sense for me to split my schedule and be away in FL vs. my RSV schedule. I lament about it every time. I even did all kinds of calculus when CKA posted recently… giving up my QOL and having to bid a schedule each month…. Versus RSV.

I regret bidding a schedule for July already. About every six months I say to myself, I should fly a schedule… and it always goes sideways. And I go back to the ‘known’ unknown of RSV.

And who knows, maybe my kids will want to go to Law School, or something crazy expensive, in their 20s… the point is that you can’t judge all people’s finances on the last awesome 10 year cycle. And you can’t just an issue because the vocal proponents for/against it have selfish motives.

Anyhoo, I still like airplanes. And who knows what the world’s gonna look like when I hit 65. All I do is save. But I lost my retirement in the tech bubble of the early 00s and really didn’t start saving till I was in my mid 30s. This being my 2nd go around. Lack of compound interest… sucks.

One thing I learned during the plague, I need to have things to do. I don’t know what form that’s gonna take in my later years, but like I said… I like teaching. An air conditioned motion roller coaster, shorter days, and working with young professionals is higher on the scale than a SE trainer at the local dirt strip for instance.
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Fair enough. My tone probably rubbed off the wrong way. I personally hate teaching and I know I hate teaching so I know I won’t put myself in any of those jobs and be a detriment on the pilot group.

Those who love to teach should be teaching. And learning everything there is to know about airplanes and manuals and how we should be flying.

That’s what I like when I show up to CQ as a line rat trying to not embarrass myself about something I forgot 9 months ago at my last CQ cycle. I love to fly airplanes, I love to fly the line, but I also love my time away from airplanes and the line. A lot of different personalities obviously.
 
Richman said:
3) Societal changes. Let's face it, flying for the airlines can be a drag. Cut your hair, clean shaven, don't do drugs, watch the meds you're on, don't be an ass on social media and plan on working most holidays and weekends to start. That's fairly incompatible for the yuuts of today. Even if you're down with most of the program, watching your friends YOLOing every night and weekend on Tak-Tik, MyFace and Snapbook while you're stuck in Muncie has to have some friction in it.
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oh man, this is really a major silver lining to not being a pilot anymore. seriously. I miss flying, and I'm out because I got sick, but arguably, flying life kinda sucked.

Like, I flew in the bush, so haircuts and clean shaven was kind of optional, to begin with... but

1. I don't have to do a checkride every 6 months (at least given at several jobs, I was qualified in different types)
2. I am somehow able to travel for pleasure more. That's bonkers.
3. If I want to eat a weed gummy, it's not potentially a career apocalypse - I think I have done that twice since I got sick? It's not my thing. But still, the fact that I once again own my own body and don't just borrow it from the company when I'm not on duty feels kind of cool.
4. I don't work on Sundays anymore, and I seldom do anything on holidays. Also, I routinely work from my basement. There's no multi-hour commute to the airplane and while I do work a lot between research obligations and grad school stuff, I truly feel like I have (somehow) more free time than I did.
5. I (and please, nobody take offense to this) don't feel so 1-dimensional anymore? Aviation was basically my everything. Now I'm doing all sorts of stuff. Aviation just kind of subsumes your personality - it's still in there (I'm still here occasionally right?) but I don't live to fly anymore. I think a lot of young people looking in see the types of people who do this, say "I don't want to be like those people" and nope the hell out.

I don't know, all told, I viscerally miss flying. I miss being "good" at something so rewarding and manual, I miss interacting with the people I flew and worked with... but all the other crap? I'm glad that stuff is done.

To people on the fence, the job is awesome if you're the right kind of person for it, but it kind of sucks too. Proceed with caution, and given the Gen Z kids are much more inclined to chase jobs that they find emotionally and mentally satisfying... I think aviation is going to have to change its ways.
 
KLB said:
Because they don't like what you like?
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Sounds like they want drugs and laziness (work from home, recreational drugs, etc). They live in a fantasy world where their feelings and emotions trump all. And I have a feeling, they’ll never reach true happiness and be content.
 
ppragman said:
oh man, this is really a major silver lining to not being a pilot anymore. seriously. I miss flying, and I'm out because I got sick, but arguably, flying life kinda sucked.

Like, I flew in the bush, so haircuts and clean shaven was kind of optional, to begin with... but

1. I don't have to do a checkride every 6 months (at least given at several jobs, I was qualified in different types)
2. I am somehow able to travel for pleasure more. That's bonkers.
3. If I want to eat a weed gummy, it's not potentially a career apocalypse - I think I have done that twice since I got sick? It's not my thing. But still, the fact that I once again own my own body and don't just borrow it from the company when I'm not on duty feels kind of cool.
4. I don't work on Sundays anymore, and I seldom do anything on holidays. Also, I routinely work from my basement. There's no multi-hour commute to the airplane and while I do work a lot between research obligations and grad school stuff, I truly feel like I have (somehow) more free time than I did.
5. I (and please, nobody take offense to this) don't feel so 1-dimensional anymore? Aviation was basically my everything. Now I'm doing all sorts of stuff. Aviation just kind of subsumes your personality - it's still in there (I'm still here occasionally right?) but I don't live to fly anymore. I think a lot of young people looking in see the types of people who do this, say "I don't want to be like those people" and nope the hell out.

I don't know, all told, I viscerally miss flying. I miss being "good" at something so rewarding and manual, I miss interacting with the people I flew and worked with... but all the other crap? I'm glad that stuff is done.

To people on the fence, the job is awesome if you're the right kind of person for it, but it kind of sucks too. Proceed with caution, and given the Gen Z kids are much more inclined to chase jobs that they find emotionally and mentally satisfying... I think aviation is going to have to change its ways.
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I think it’s all about finding your balance and a job that allows you to have that. I fly corporate. Work around 10 days a month. Get to travel the world. Both planes are less than 2 years old. When we are on the road we have a very liberal expense policy. Nice hotels. We can expense attractions(boat rides/amusement parks etc). I’ll make 300k this year. I don’t make new contract airline pilot money but I also work a lot less and have a amazing QOL both at home and on the road.


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CFI A&P said:
Tell us again about the support you received from your parents (both emotional and financial).
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Emotional? None.

Mother said I shouldn’t do this job because she thought I’d crash and die.

Father said after 9/11, as a brown man, no one would hire you.


Financial - father paid for private. I paid for Instrument, Commercial, Multi Engine. Father helped pay majority of jet U’s cost, I still paid a little bit too. But he did help here, if only because I told him I’m walking away from my engineering job and will be pursuing aviation in Florida.

Fast forward to Virgin FO days, and at a wedding talking to some people, he was introducing kids, he said oldest is a family doctor blah blah, then to me, I’m the #2 son, and his background is…. Engineering. Then moved on to #3 and #4 son.


I don’t think you realize, people from my country/background don’t really see pilots as glamourous. Just lazy button pushers. India thinks highly of pilots, respect, etc.

But not where I come from. So I don’t know why you think the way you do. I had to fight my own family issues to go be what I wanted to be. You are not supposed to go against parents in my culture, but I did. And while it probably doesn’t sound like a big deal to you in the American culture, what I did was a big deal. Almost like a virtual slap to parents for sticking to my guns and pursuing what I wanted to do.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Emotional? None.

Mother said I shouldn’t do this job because she thought I’d crash and die.

Father said after 9/11, as a brown man, no one would hire you.


Financial - father paid for private. I paid for Instrument, Commercial, Multi Engine. Father helped pay majority of jet U’s cost, I still paid a little bit too. But he did help here, if only because I told him I’m walking away from my engineering job and will be pursuing aviation in Florida.
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Now tell us gain about the housing situation, was that all on your own or with assistance from the 'rents ?
 
CFI A&P said:
Now tell us gain about the housing situation, was that all on your own or with assistance from the 'rents ?
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Renting for the past 4+ yrs since I’ve been in Cali. A 3 bdrm, 3 bath, 1720 sq ft for $3500 paid from my airline’s salary.


So why is this your business again?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Renting for the past 4+ yrs since I’ve been in Cali. A 3 bdrm, 3 bath, 1720 sq ft for $3500 paid from my airline’s salary.


So why is this your business again?
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You're calling an generation of pilots spoiled, yet you received considerable assistance from your parents to get to your seat. Which is fine, many people get help from their parents or relatives when starting out. Just classic situationally unaware of pot calling the kettle black.
 
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