Like the previous posted have said it is a long process. Just because they can not do it does not mean they can not do it in the future.At least for union shops, you can't just contract out union work. Even if the FAA gave approval.
Like the previous posted have said it is a long process. Just because they can not do it does not mean they can not do it in the future.At least for union shops, you can't just contract out union work. Even if the FAA gave approval.
Dispatching from home wasn't created to speed up the end of the pandemic nor was it created to get the ball rolling on outsourcing. It was put into place so that dispatchers could be spread out and reduce the risk of getting COVID in the OCC. Has nobody here given any thought to what happens to an OCC if somebody knowingly or unknowingly brings COVID in and it spreads like wild fire? That airline will be in some big trouble. Right now it is a good solution for those who want to continue to work and still quarantine/distance themselves from others. It's completely optional as well, those who want to do it can and those who do not want to do it don't have to and can come into the OCC. SkyWest put the safety and well being of the OCC first and everybody views it as some terrible thing....
Dispatching from home wasn't created to speed up the end of the pandemic nor was it created to get the ball rolling on outsourcing. It was put into place so that dispatchers could be spread out and reduce the risk of getting COVID in the OCC. Has nobody here given any thought to what happens to an OCC if somebody knowingly or unknowingly brings COVID in and it spreads like wild fire? That airline will be in some big trouble. Right now it is a good solution for those who want to continue to work and still quarantine/distance themselves from others. It's completely optional as well, those who want to do it can and those who do not want to do it don't have to and can come into the OCC. SkyWest put the safety and well being of the OCC first and everybody views it as some terrible thing....
They have a backup which is used, and they made a second makeshift OCC on the otherside of the building as well. All of them are cleaned regularly. Remote was put into place so that if they had to quarantine people they could without hurting the operation. If say, hypothetically, somebody in the OCC was around a family member who tested positive and needed to quaratine they could simply work from home instead of having to sit at home and not work for two weeks costing them valuable vacation/user hours or resulting in little to no pay. I think it's a good thing.Does Skywest not have a backup SOC they could have utilized? Even the gold standard of airlines Delta is using their backup and frontline SOC to run their dispatch office
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I think if nothing else this is an opportunity to replace costly backup facilities used in emergencies by sending people to their homes.
That's a good feeling when you work for a company that does.They really, truly, are putting everyones best interest first and I think they deserve some credit for that.
This is exactly why ADF has long lobbied against home dispatching. Because it would be the first step in allowing operational control to be outsourced. Jeppesen is making it clear they are trying to not only go in this direction, but actually be the company that provides this service. I also believe this is one reason why airlines are going to other vendors to replace their flight planning tools, because other companies are just providing software, and are still leaving it to the airlines to provide that operational control.I find this less than convincing. Truthfully dispatching from home is just a couple of steps away from paying jeppesen to send out flight plans. Easily my argument is sophistry and (at the extreme risk of being repetitive) fallacious, but I think in this matter we should be a firewall and say “no” to dispatching from home. Careers don’t disappear overnight; they get removed little by little and brick by brick. We need to be firm and resolute in refuting the idea that we are something less. Unfortunately I feel like this is just another brick...or maybe an entire wall in the structure of dispatch.
How is home dispatching the first step to outsourced dispatching? In a world which outsourcing dispatch exists you could still outsource to Jepp or whoever and have all of the flights released from their own OCC. Being at home or in an OCC really makes no difference and I don't see how it has anything to do with outsourcing. I'd be more worried about the current abilities of AI than I would a dispatcher taking a computer home so they don't get sick.This is exactly why ADF has long lobbied against home dispatching. Because it would be the first step in allowing operational control to be outsourced. Jeppesen is making it clear they are trying to not only go in this direction, but actually be the company that provides this service. I also believe this is one reason why airlines are going to other vendors to replace their flight planning tools, because other companies are just providing software, and are still leaving it to the airlines to provide that operational control.
Nobody is coming to your house right now. The Feds don't want your cooties, I promise. Pinky promise.What if you had a deal...do you really want the Feds in your house as part of an investigation?
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Nobody is coming to your house right now. The Feds don't want your cooties, I promise. Pinky promise.
I presume the dispatchers working from home are using company issued computers which doesn't really change much. I know that's the way my company has proposed going about it. In which case, that doesn't change a thing vs working in the office.I don't know about this - if there was an accident involving one of your flights and you were dispatching from home, I think the feds would be VERY interested in looking at your "dispatch from home" setup, to the point of wanting to review your internet history and perhaps the computer you were using as well. They would likely do the same thing if you were dispatching from your company's NOC, but at least in that case you wouldn't have to worry about them taking your personal computer away from you until the investigation is complete.
I presume the dispatchers working from home are using company issued computers which doesn't really change much. I know that's the way my company has proposed going about it. In which case, that doesn't change a thing vs working in the office.
I would not volunteer to work from home but in my shop they have discussed having half the shift work from home. They have not mentioned having a camera on at any point. I completely understand what they are trying to do by spreading everyone out and I can also understand that some are more nervous than most about this pandemic. That being said, I really don't think this is the proverbial "tip of the iceberg" for turning our job into a contract position. The FAA really likes the idea of a company employee fully invested in the safety of their own company's operation. These are unusual times and we're all just trying to find a way through it.Not sure about flynryan, but company’s plan was to require webcam to be on.
I don’t want the company having a camera in my home, on, for 10-ish hours a day.
There isn't anything they gain from your home, at least not with the way we do it. Dispatching from home is done on a company issued computer, connected to a company VPN. They can review whatever data they want remotely, they can even login to the computer remotely if needed. You can't dispatch from home without submitting a photo of your "setup" and signed paperwork. I think the most that would happen is they'd suspend your ability to dispatch from home until the investigation was over, and I think that might only be if they suspected working from home was a contributing factor to whatever happened. It's never happened obviously so who knows, but I really don't see anything that can be gained from entering the dispatchers home.I don't know about this - if there was an accident involving one of your flights and you were dispatching from home, I think the feds would be VERY interested in looking at your "dispatch from home" setup, to the point of wanting to review your internet history and perhaps the computer you were using as well. They would likely do the same thing if you were dispatching from your company's NOC, but at least in that case you wouldn't have to worry about them taking your personal computer away from you until the investigation is complete.
There are no webcams, and that would be a total violation of privacy to force you to have a camera on. Yikes.Not sure about flynryan, but company’s plan was to require webcam to be on.
I don’t want the company having a camera in my home, on, for 10-ish hours a day.
There are no webcams, and that would be a total violation of privacy to force you to have a camera on. Yikes.
I'm not sure I fully understand, are you saying they wanted to use webcams at SkyWest? That's completely false, and I was one of the very first to test this. I never heard anything about having webcams on.Obviously never got that far outside of Skywest, but I know that’s what people were being told when they were selecting their testers.
I'm not sure I fully understand, are you saying they wanted to use webcams at SkyWest? That's completely false, and I was one of the very first to test this. I never heard anything about having webcams on.
People don't want to get on an airplane because of Chinavirus.