His Eminence Has Spoken!!

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727to7400

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Well, Prater finally said something...not to the membership, just the EC and EB.

He's managing the PR on this about as good as Michael Steele at the RNC...instead of standing up and taking public ownership of the problem, he's kicking the can down the road.

"On Thursday, I sent a message to the Executive Board and Executive Council members about significant errors that were in an article in the April Air Line Pilot magazine. The National Officers were advised of this situation on March 29, and immediately directed an investigation into the full nature of the errors in the article. At the upcoming April 13 Executive Council meeting, we will brief the Council on the investigation and conduct a review of the nomination, vetting, and approval process."
 
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about. What you've quoted is from Captain Prater's BOD update, which he sends out every week. What you apparently don't know is that Captain Prater does something that Captain Woerth never did: he posts his update to the ALPA web site for the entire membership to view. In fact, for the last couple of weeks, he's had it emailed to every member with a note at the top advising them of where on the website they can always read it every week.
 
I don't blame him, I doubt he has any oversight on the day to day operations of the magazine.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
As well it should. He certainly works a lot harder.
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Alright, gotta call BS on this one. What do you base this judgement on? The leader of a pilot union works harder than most CEO's of regional airlines? Without some kind of proof this is a wasted post.
 
WacoFan said:
Alright, gotta call BS on this one. What do you base this judgement on? The leader of a pilot union works harder than most CEO's of regional airlines? Without some kind of proof this is a wasted post.
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Why Waco...it's true because PCL_128 says so!!

What other airline labor union president do YOU know that has his own giant inflatable rat to take to rallies? Or who smokes fine stogies and drinks top shelf hooch? That stuff isn't cheap!

Careful...you'll end up on PCL's "bad" list...:rotfl:
 
WacoFan said:
Alright, gotta call BS on this one. What do you base this judgement on? The leader of a pilot union works harder than most CEO's of regional airlines? Without some kind of proof this is a wasted post.
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Tread carefully, do you really think there's that much of a difference between running ALPA and running a regional airline? ALPA ain't the local Kiwanis hall; it's a huge organization.
 
WacoFan said:
Alright, gotta call BS on this one. What do you base this judgement on? The leader of a pilot union works harder than most CEO's of regional airlines? Without some kind of proof this is a wasted post.
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I base the judgement on his actual schedule. The ALPA President works in the office or on the road an average of about 340 days per year. Virtually every day is spent meeting with politicians at the White House, on the Hill, overseas, etc. Show me a regional airline CEO working as hard, and I'll buy all of your drinks in Vegas this year. Someone like Richard Anderson would have a similar schedule, but not the CEO of a regional airline.
 
I agree CA Prater is a very hard working man. WAY more than the CEO of any regional airline.

For example...A few weeks ago, we had Captain Prater sit in on our MEC meeting. The meeting stretched almost 8 hours and he was there through a majority of it. He was in an out throughout the day, meeting with lobbyists, lawyers, on scheduled telepcons, etc. Towards the end of the meeting he had to leave to go and write a letter to the editor of USAToday with the ALPA lawyers et al regarding the CVR Bill. This was at 8p on a Friday night.
 
727to7400 said:
Why Waco...it's true because PCL_128 says so!!

What other airline labor union president do YOU know that has his own giant inflatable rat to take to rallies? Or who smokes fine stogies and drinks top shelf hooch? That stuff isn't cheap!

Careful...you'll end up on PCL's "bad" list...:rotfl:
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I don't share your distaste of ALPA and I am almost positive that there is NOTHING I could so, short of scabbing, to end up on ATN's "bad list" - certainly nothing that I would write on here would qualify. If it worked that way he would have already ignored me, along with Jtrain, Surreal, Greaper and probably Doug himself. ATN can tolerate dissent and can take as well as he gives - I've had it proven first hand both ways.

jtrain609 said:
Tread carefully, do you really think there's that much of a difference between running ALPA and running a regional airline? ALPA ain't the local Kiwanis hall; it's a huge organization.
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The comment was "works harder than any regional CEO". I'm sure the guy running Republic probably works a little more than 40 hours per week. I would imagine there are at least some that work as hard. It just seemed to be one of those "ATN absolute statements of fact" that is a little hard to prove without knowing all of the regional CEO's or their schedule. I certainly understand that he works hard, and that ALPA is a big business - and for half a nut per year, he should work hard.
 
After cooling down a bit, the solution is simple.

Axe the article.

Give him the boot from the union for professional misconduct.

Turn the page.

The situation was far more of a face-palm than anything else.
 
I doubt Bedford works more than 60 hours per week. Trenary, CEO of Pinnacle, was usually gone at the close of normal business hours, and you could usually find him at the Memphis "high society" hang-outs every night.
 
Couple of broad-reaching statements of my own:

1) Optimists do not believe in conspiracy theories.

2) Pessimists rarely start businesses, and never succeed at it.

3) Paranoid people generally are paranoid for a good reason and many times that reason is because people should be paranoid of them. They go around screwing people (and sometimes use the excuse that if they hadn't, they would have been screwed). They are not so much paranoid as fearing payback for their own misdeeds.

4) Honest people that are generally sincere in their endeavors do not expect to get lied to, and never as blatantly as this lie was. Few would think that someone who was charming (as most sociopath/lier's are) would tell such blatantly false and easily debunked lies. Not saying that it wasn't an error, but it isn't enough to tar and feather the person that was lied to in my opinion.
 
WacoFan said:
Couple of broad-reaching statements of my own:

1) Optimists do not believe in conspiracy theories.

2) Pessimists rarely start businesses, and never succeed at it.

3) Paranoid people generally are paranoid for a good reason and many times that reason is because people should be paranoid of them. They go around screwing people (and sometimes use the excuse that if they hadn't, they would have been screwed). They are not so much paranoid as fearing payback for their own misdeeds.

4) Honest people that are generally sincere in their endeavors do not expect to get lied to, and never as blatantly as this lie was. Few would think that someone who was charming (as most sociopath/lier's are) would tell such blatantly false and easily debunked lies. Not saying that it wasn't an error, but it isn't enough to tar and feather the person that was lied to in my opinion.
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Good one. I especially like number one.
 
WacoFan said:
Alright, gotta call BS on this one. What do you base this judgement on? The leader of a pilot union works harder than most CEO's of regional airlines? Without some kind of proof this is a wasted post.
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Well, he works harder than one particular CEO. Twice a year, we see the guy on the ramp. One time, he was being photographed loading bags onto a belt loader. Rumor from the rampers was the bags were empty. He gets paid a LOT of money, and I"m not sure what he does. No new flying in 3 years, not actively negotiating either of the contracts at the subsidiaries (per the arbitrator's ruling, that would be a huge indicator that we're alter ego carriers of each other) and some of the decisions coming down from his office prove he doesn't know what's going on day to day. However, he is pretty big on going to social functions and going before congress. I do take issue with some of the things he's said before congress. Saying our fatigue policy is non-punitive and non-intimidating is borderline perjury, IMO.
 
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