His Eminence Has Spoken!!

meritflyer said:
...total prior FY compensation as reported on IRS form 990 was $491,466. His base salary of $294,000 and change also rivals many regional CEOs' base salaries.

Sweet!
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By law, all compensation needs to be reported. This includes his reimbursements for hotel rooms, meals, rental cars and other transportation costs associated with his position. There's a big difference between what is on his W-2 and what he takes home. This is the same for all reps. Check your MEC full-time staff. Their W-2's are pretty "sweet" too, but they take home no more than any other pilot of their same level of seniority.
 
Divine Wind said:
By law, all compensation needs to be reported. This includes his reimbursements for hotel rooms, meals, rental cars and other transportation costs associated with his position. There's a big difference between what is on his W-2 and what he takes home. This is the same for all reps. Check your MEC full-time staff. Their W-2's are pretty "sweet" too, but they take home no more than any other pilot of their same level of seniority.
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That's true. Just in my job as a lowly regional CA, if I had to report everything the company pays for as part of my job, you'd be looking at an extra $20,000 easily. That's mostly just hotel stays in crappy hotels with a reduced rate.
 
There are a lot of guys that are po'ed about what national is earning.

But alternatively, I see it like this. Take what the ALPA president makes, call that something like 767 pay, and then index up for 747's and index down for Beech 1900's. Then refuse to sign any CBA that doesn't at least meet that minimum.

Problem solved. Overly simplistic, yes, but there was once a period of time that the position didn't earn that much relative to airline pilot pay. Now since we've all wussed- out and signed concessionary agreements, it's seen a lot differently.

Opinions?
 
Doug Taylor said:
There are a lot of guys that are po'ed about what national is earning.

But alternatively, I see it like this. Take what the ALPA president makes, call that something like 767 pay, and then index up for 747's and index down for Beech 1900's. Then refuse to sign any CBA that doesn't at least meet that minimum.

Problem solved. Overly simplistic, yes, but there was once a period of time that the position didn't earn that much relative to airline pilot pay. Now since we've all wussed- out and signed concessionary agreements, it's seen a lot differently.

Opinions?
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My opinion is that, you're pug fugly! In fact, you're not even pug fugly, you're UGLY UGLY!

Whatcha gonna do now, Moe!?
 
jtrain609 said:
My opinion is that, you're pug fugly! In fact, you're not even pug fugly, you're UGLY UGLY!

Whatcha gonna do now, Moe!?
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Oh man, now you've done it.

Going to NJC?

I worry that if you are going......that some unscrupulous people are going to now meet you at the Palms.

And you're going to get a tour of the vast amount of desert north of town.

My advice is that you decline the tour......
 
MikeD said:
Oh man, now you've done it.

Going to NJC?

I worry that if you are going......that some unscrupulous people are going to now meet you at the Palms.

And you're going to get a tour of the vast amount of desert north of town.

My advice is that you decline the tour......
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Will this be like a "three hour tour" with sexually frustrated women, or like, you know...my corpse rotting in the desert?
 
jtrain609 said:
You must not have heard the rest of it, because Emily's in another country right now, and I'm not with her!
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That only makes it worse.

Do you consider AZ another country?

;)

I'll be here all week, ladies and gentlemen! :D
 
kellwolf said:
That's true. Just in my job as a lowly regional CA, if I had to report everything the company pays for as part of my job, you'd be looking at an extra $20,000 easily. That's mostly just hotel stays in crappy hotels with a reduced rate.
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True, but fortunately we don't since most airlines pay the hotel directly. At ALPA, the individual pays then is reimbursed. I don't understand all the tax law associated with this, but that's the way it works.

While we're on the subject, the Executive Board (the MEC reps from each airline) sets the pay/compensation for ALPA staff. Each MEC (all the LEC reps) sets the budget for their own MEC staff. It's a bottom-up, democratic process. It's not like Congress where they vote on their own pay scale.

While I think how and where our dues is spent should come under close scrutiny, I also think misinformation and hype like this about ALPA National pay does more harm than good.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I doubt Bedford works more than 60 hours per week. Trenary, CEO of Pinnacle, was usually gone at the close of normal business hours, and you could usually find him at the Memphis "high society" hang-outs every night.
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Really this is a silly discussion. There are a lot of guys getting killed for peanuts that have the pleasure of working their ass off before that happens. How hard you work and how much you are paid are two different things.
 
jtrain609 said:
You must not have heard the rest of it, because Emily's in another country right now, and I'm not with her!
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D'oh. Last time I take Nessa's word for it. She said you were BOTH down there. I was wondering how you were gonna be in law school and on vacation at the same time. :)

Divine Wind said:
While we're on the subject, the Executive Board (the MEC reps from each airline) sets the pay/compensation for ALPA staff. Each MEC (all the LEC reps) sets the budget for their own MEC staff. It's a bottom-up, democratic process. It's not like Congress where they vote on their own pay scale.
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Oh, this has become a HUGE stink over here. Some of the pilots are upset because they think our MEC Chair is making too much money (ie more than they are), so the pitchforks and torches are out. Last MEC meeting, they decided to look into it, and from what I heard, if they went with some of the plans other ALPA MECs use, his pay would actually increase MORE. AFAIK, they're still looking into the flight loss pay issue.
 
kellwolf said:
Oh, this has become a HUGE stink over here. Some of the pilots are upset because they think our MEC Chair is making too much money (ie more than they are), so the pitchforks and torches are out. Last MEC meeting, they decided to look into it, and from what I heard, if they went with some of the plans other ALPA MECs use, his pay would actually increase MORE. AFAIK, they're still looking into the flight loss pay issue.
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If your airline is like mine, then the ones making the biggest stink about it aren't union volunteers and most don't regularly attend union meetings.
 
I haven't a clue how Dalpa does their FPL but, I really liked the way we did it at XJTALPA. Basically, when a pilot was on FPL their pay was an average of any three pilots that were in their seniority group. That way they were never paid more than a line pilot. However, they always worked more days than a line pilot.
 
I take it that was only for those on full-time flight pay loss and not the volunteers who do it occasionally such as scheduling or safety reps?
 
Divine Wind said:
I take it that was only for those on full-time flight pay loss and not the volunteers who do it occasionally such as scheduling or safety reps?
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Yes, you are correct. Those that were committee volunteers would just get their normal trips bought.
 
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