Help with developing A320 control feel

It’s laid out in the airbus com, but you can essentially do a V1 cut without touching the controls once it’s off the ground. It’s using a combination of all of the flight surfaces, including asymmetric spoilers and lots of computer logic.
Ok, I was not asking the question from the perspective of utter ignorance. What I'm saying is "the magic" is deeply buried... in my opinion well beyond the ability of any human being or group of human beings to suss it out in the real time of an exigent circumstance. When you fly an Airbus, you are relying on tiny little lines of code, some written a long time ago by folks who knew little or nothing about aerodynamics or the workings of airplanes. Who knows, maybe like MS Windows, if you know the right key commands, you can pull up asteroids from the bowels of the A320 control law code. Point being, at some point, all this code, all it's flaws, all it brilliance, all its ineffability... IT ALL BECOMES MAGIC, which is pretty much precisely the same as FAITH. Even if the humans build the machines, when humans are no longer able to understand how those machines work, we are in a severe world of hurt. Granted, many of us don't appreciate that fact. Some of even argue - quite vociferously - that's not a fact.

If aviation - or for that matter science in general - has two primary operational objectives, they are likely the following: Eliminate Randomness. Ensure Redundancy/Replicability. Magic nor Faith possess even ONE of these traits.
 
Ok, I was not asking the question from the perspective of utter ignorance. What I'm saying is "the magic" is deeply buried... in my opinion well beyond the ability of any human being or group of human beings to suss it out in the real time of an exigent circumstance. When you fly an Airbus, you are relying on tiny little lines of code, some written a long time ago by folks who knew little or nothing about aerodynamics or the workings of airplanes. Who knows, maybe like MS Windows, if you know the right key commands, you can pull up asteroids from the bowels of the A320 control law code. Point being, at some point, all this code, all it's flaws, all it brilliance, all its ineffability... IT ALL BECOMES MAGIC, which is pretty much precisely the same as FAITH. Even if the humans build the machines, when humans are no longer able to understand how those machines work, we are in a severe world of hurt. Granted, many of us don't appreciate that fact. Some of even argue - quite vociferously - that's not a fact.

If aviation - or for that matter science in general - has two primary operational objectives, they are likely the following: Eliminate Randomness. Ensure Redundancy/Replicability. Magic nor Faith possess even ONE of these traits.
Yeah, well I’ll take my chances, as the design has been proven. There is a lot of faith involved in this game.
 
Yeah, well I’ll take my chances, as the design has been proven. There is a lot of faith involved in this game.
THERE IS - properly - NO FAITH in this game, or ANY OTHER SCIENCE-BASED endeavor.

WTF, over?!?

THIS@!@! This is precisely the problem we've got these days. So much science yet so much glib misunderstanding about how it actually works, and apparently, even about how it is supposed to work. Does Jeebus always open up a hole as we glibly fly through lines of 60K Qs??

Maybe we've got too much "History", "Science", "Discovery" channel... and not enough actual reading leading to an actual understanding of history. Not enough actual logic, equation, and math leading to actual science and discovery.

IDK. Learning is always a lot of observation. A lot of situational awareness. A lot of connecting dots and applying creativity to thought. A lot of logical construction of valid experimental constructs, even if only as thought experiments. A LOT OF WORK. But it is work WELL worth doing if one cares about, well, pretty much anything important.

If you just want a cheeseburger originating from the same slaughterhouse, transported on the same food-service refer truck, and marketed as LOTS OF CHOICES... Well, you have your choices of marketing brands. They abound.
 
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Only once in many years of using "Abe Froman" as my name given to hosts/hostesses has anyone recognized me as the Sausage King of Chicago.
 
Only once in many years of using "Abe Froman" as my name given to hosts/hostesses has anyone recognized me as the Sausage King of Chicago.
Only once in my many years of aviation boards, has anyone made even a glancing reference to Abe Froman. Well done, sir!!

Abe, we hardly knew ya!!! :)
 
Going Airbus>Boeing>Airbus again has been really strange sometimes. I keep moving my thumb thinking I need to trim.
Everyone needs trim, bro. Just never over-stress the main spar.

Even if we go full Blade Runner, I still want REAL skin. (In fact, I'm going to copyright that name - "Real Skin" - and patent that concept right now. I've got a nice, biz-friend court right now. I'm gonna get ahead of the game, yeah?)

Consider this post part of my patent petition. @derg, don't you dare erase this thread, k? My future fortunes depend upon it. If that doesn't work, just please know that I act in complete accordance with the Allito/Thomas school: You get a quarter of future earnings. K???
 
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Everyone needs trim, bro. Just never over-stress the main spar.

Even if we go full Blade Runner, I still want REAL skin. (In fact, I'm going to copyright that name - "Real Skin" - and patent that concept right now. I've got a nice, biz-friend court right now. I'm gonna get ahead of the game, yeah?)

Consider this post part of my patent petition.
When I retire, I want some of whatever you’re on.
 
When I retire, I want some of whatever you’re on.
Never did a single non-prescribed drug in my life. The only prescription drugs I've ever taken were aspirin and antibiotics. Neither of those is really, truly a drug. They are more like math... you know, stuff we discovered nature did way better than our paltry ability to invent; So we had to discover them. (Penicillin, btw, was essentially discovered by accident, btw. Happy accident, but still accident.) No illegal chemistry for me. Though I am waiting to try a few things after I stop flying. And certainly, no human-attempted chemistry for me. Humans don't know enough yet to produce any viable, non-harmful chemistry. Chemistry found in nature, created by 4BB years of evolutionary intelligence? Yeah, that's cool. Random quackery cooked up by neo-post monkeys? Nope. Nope. Nope.
 
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That might be one-way street thing like "Oh, maybe I'll just do a light hit of heroin on the weekends"
Por favor, tu expliques! How'd'ya like that? Two. Two. Two languages in One?

At first blush, you are probably correct. Once you discover how to assume nothing and question everything rationally, your world changes inextricably and forever. Maybe like a drug (I can't say. I've never done them), but with none of the out-of-control, externally motivated, personal-feeling-based BS of drug-induced behavior or consciousness.
 
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It is immensely gratifying, at least to me, when you reach the point that you have achieved Airbus Nirvana and you know precisely how much pressure you need to apply either with your wrist (bank), thumb (nose down), or first finger (nose up) pressure you need to apply to get it to move exactly the amount you want. I remember feeling I’d “gotten it” when I could lower the nose just a smidge whilst calling for Flaps 0 on departure and the pitch ended up exactly where I wanted it, making the pitch more predictable and less reactionary.

But yeah, there isn’t really control feel in a traditional sense.

@Rosstafari, don’t make me bust out that candy bar again man

I've had days in the bus where I tell myself I don't need to touch the stick once from the FAP in....and usually it'll come down to 3-4 little nudges. Not including the flare. Thing flies straight.
 
I've had days in the bus where I tell myself I don't need to touch the stick once from the FAP in....and usually it'll come down to 3-4 little nudges. Not including the flare. Thing flies straight.
Don't EVER touch the stick. The stick is in the Red Zone. The Red Zone is for loading and unloading ONLY. There is no FLYING in the Red Zone.
 
THERE IS - properly - NO FAITH in this game, or ANY OTHER SCIENCE-BASED endeavor.

WTF, over?!?

THIS@!@! This is precisely the problem we've got these days. So much science yet so much glib misunderstanding about how it actually works, and apparently, even about how it is supposed to work. Does Jeebus always open up a hole as we glibly fly through lines of 60K Qs??

Maybe we've got too much "History", "Science", "Discovery" channel... and not enough actual reading leading to an actual understanding of history. Not enough actual logic, equation, and math leading to actual science and discovery.

IDK. Learning is always a lot of observation. A lot of situational awareness. A lot of connecting dots and applying creativity to thought. A lot of logical construction of valid experimental constructs, even if only as thought experiments. A LOT OF WORK. But it is work WELL worth doing if one cares about, well, pretty much anything important.

If you just want a cheeseburger originating from the same slaughterhouse, transported on the same food-service refer truck, and marketed as LOTS OF CHOICES... Well, you have your choices of marketing brands. They abound.

Are you still actively instructing? Is that all you do, and if so are you doing it for individual, collegiate, accelerated, or air carrier students?

Also, do your students have the option of “ firing you as an instructor “, or are they stuck with you and it’s considered a failure on their part if it doesn’t work out?
 
I’ve seen pilots coming through lately holding the stick on the bottom, thinking it’s lighter on the controls—when in reality it’s causing them to over control. Put your thumb in the thumb indentation next to the red button and rest your hand naturally on the stick. Be gentle.

Is there anyway to talk about how to hold the stick that doesn’t sound dirty?
 
A lot of it, when I was a Line Check Pilot, was what @juxtapilot mentioned above coupled with never getting the armrest configured appropriately. That armrest is SUPER important for smoothness.
 
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