Help with developing A320 control feel

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IMS, there’s some fast and fancy footwork at like 300’, and some pretty specific directions on the Status Page.

At @Rosstafari ‘s place of employment, the biggest challenge is getting through the QRH. Flying the plane is easy. You’re going to be somewhere between Vapp and Vapp+30 depending on the failure, medium autobrakes, full reverse, don’t flare, and don’t go around.

Somehow, actually getting to this point takes like 15 minutes.

 

[CFIT99]

Fly with your thumb and two fingers. It's hard to fly smooth when you use your whole hand.

I tried this and it didn’t work…..ohhhhh flying….never mind

 

[Skåning]

You’re going to be somewhere between Vapp and Vapp+30 depending on the failure, medium autobrakes, full reverse, don’t flare, and don’t go around.

That’s basically a normal 737-900 landing

 

[ASpilot2be]

At @Rosstafari ‘s place of employment, the biggest challenge is getting through the QRH. Flying the plane is easy. You’re going to be somewhere between Vapp and Vapp+30 depending on the failure, medium autobrakes, full reverse, don’t flare, and don’t go around.

Somehow, actually getting to this point takes like 15 minutes.

For my 777 type I had a slats failure on a VOR approach. It was offset from the runway by 9 degrees and broke out at 600 feet. That was a fun one.

 

[derg]

For my 777 type I had a slats failure on a VOR approach. It was offset from the runway by 9 degrees and broke out at 600 feet. That was a fun one.

Doesn't the 777 have FLS or GLS?

 

[BobDDuck]

Doesn't the 777 have FLS or GLS?

I think FLS is an Airbus thing... and it's limited to straight in approaches. Would need Final-App (or that App-Des thing you have on the Bougie Bus) and an RNAV AR plate to do an offset with vnav to DA.

 

[derg]

I think FLS is an Airbus thing... and it's limited to straight in approaches. Would need Final-App (or that App-Des thing you have on the Bougie Bus) and an RNAV AR plate to do an offset with vnav to DA.

I have no idea. I haven't trimmed in over a decade.

I'm in the world of "everything is flown like an ILS", curved, straight-in, it draws a glidepath of where you are on the arrival or approach, you press approach and that's it.

The question now is "autoland capable or not?"

 

[ASpilot2be]

I have no idea. I haven't trimmed in over a decade.

I'm in the world of "everything is flown like an ILS", curved, straight-in, it draws a glidepath of where you are on the arrival or approach, you press approach and that's it.

The question now is "autoland capable or not?"

Using a trim switch again is strange.

 

[Richman]

Back when I was leaning to fly helicopters in the Tooty-two, my instructor said "if you can see you hand move, you moved it too much.

 

[///AMG]

That’s basically a normal 737-900 landing

haha dude, I recently had *perhaps* my first greaser in a 9ER ever, at SAN. We cleared the parking garage, I reset my aim point, closed my eyes, and I have no idea what I did after that. We had an AA JS'er who was also an FA-18 guy, and I think he didn't believe the CA when he said it was me. I don't believe him either.

edit: I don't actually know if it was a 9ER, I never know what variant I am flying......

 

[derg]

Remember, any "feel" you're getting from it is simply a rudimentary "Rube Goldberg" device steampunked to make it feel....natural. At the end of the day, all that stuff just creates ones, zeroes and rate information to the Flight Control Computers.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kfl-neMK3-Y

 

[///AMG]

Remember, any "feel" you're getting from it is simply a rudimentary "Rube Goldberg" device steampunked to make it feel....natural:

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kfl-neMK3-Y

Same in the FA-18.....bunch of bungee cords and weights and stuff. Though our "laws" aren't nearly as inhibiting if you are trying to YOLO

 

[derg]

Same in the FA-18.....bunch of bungee cords and weights and stuff. Though our "laws" aren't nearly as inhibiting if you are trying to YOLO

One of my career heroes was a former A-7 then "Lemoore By the Sea" F/A-18 pilot. He showed me a video of the apparatus and it was oddly hilarious.

 

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Remember, any "feel" you're getting from it is simply a rudimentary "Rube Goldberg" device steampunked to make it feel....natural. At the end of the day, all that stuff just creates ones, zeroes and rate information to the Flight Control Computers.

View: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Kfl-neMK3-Y

It is immensely gratifying, at least to me, when you reach the point that you have achieved Airbus Nirvana and you know precisely how much pressure you need to apply either with your wrist (bank), thumb (nose down), or first finger (nose up) pressure you need to apply to get it to move exactly the amount you want. I remember feeling I’d “gotten it” when I could lower the nose just a smidge whilst calling for Flaps 0 on departure and the pitch ended up exactly where I wanted it, making the pitch more predictable and less reactionary.

But yeah, there isn’t really control feel in a traditional sense.

@Rosstafari, don’t make me bust out that candy bar again man

 

[form810]

Are You Properly Seated? | Safety First

The best position for a pilot to fly is not left to chance. It is the result of detailed analysis and design that provides the optimum seating position for both the Pilot Flying (PF) and the Pilot Monitoring (PM) to safely and comfortably operate their aircraft.

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Re: Positions. This is why I've always eschewed "missionary" flying. Kinda boring.

 

[form810]

First off. Bruh.

Second. It’s a sim. There’s no control feel.

Well, in fairness, and akschully, there is supposed to be control feel in a class D. I'm mean, what's the point of date with a dominatrix if you don't experience control feel? Chalk it up to a buttery wimp of an aircraft, I guess.

 

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buttery wimp of an aircraft

 

[form810]

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You... are the Sausage King of Chicago?!?

It's patience that allows a person like me to endure an aircraft like the Airbus.

(Helluva pull from the archives, there!)

 

[form810]

The airbus is performing a lot of magic in normal law, so don’t try to overcorrect. Just put it where you want it, and it will mostly stay. Don’t worry about finesse on steep turns and what not.

Stalls and alternate law maneuvers can be flown mainly the same way, there’s just less magic happening. It’s ok to be ham fisted with those, just try to avoid secondary stalls.

Yeah, sure. But where precisely in the books do they precisely and definitively explicate "magic"? Or is this like reading one of the many "good books" and getting 12 different answers to the same question?

Petitioning Mx with "magic" is almost precisely akin to petitioning the lord with "prayer".

 

[CoffeeIcePapers]

Yeah, sure. But where precisely in the books do they precisely and definitively explicate "magic"? Or is this like reading one of the many "good books" and getting 12 different answers to the same question?

Petitioning Mx with "magic" is almost precisely akin to petitioning the lord with "prayer".

It’s laid out in the airbus com, but you can essentially do a V1 cut without touching the controls once it’s off the ground. It’s using a combination of all of the flight surfaces, including asymmetric spoilers and lots of computer logic.