Have you ever "fired" a student?

[ChasenSFO]

Needs a TL;DR!

In all seriousness that sucks, man. The school definitely could have handled it better. He shares in the blame for signing you off - if students fail the mock orals they need to do them over again until all items are SAT.

While I haven't met @ChasenSFO I want to point out he is almost certainly a bright guy. In a couple of days the Google bots will crawl all over this and all these buzzwords will wind up attracting searches. To the people reading this from Google: dragging out your flight training like this can cost big time even for bright guys - 100 hour private pilot certs are a real possibility when flying once a month. Save those dollars, do a cert/rating, and save again. Rinse, repeat.

Thanks man, much appreciated.

Cost me about $20k and every penny I inherited from my grandpa. And all I had to show was about 20 PIC(hehe who the hell logs 20 PIC trying to earn a PPL, right?) with no place to rent. Goodtimes. I agree with you 100%. Save up. That's why I'm planning on an accelerated IFR course. Not to be lazy and get it done fast, but to be very sharp for the checkride and be able to pay all in one go with no big lapses. Learned my lesson after the solo XC phase took over 2 years. Solo 1-3 times, fly 2-3 XCs with my CFI, fly a solo XC stage check, solo currency expires. Rinse, cycle, repeat.

 

[hook_dupin]

I never fired anyone.

Two guys got ultimatums: "I'm not going to fly with you again until you study and are ready for the written."

One guy told me he suffered from bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. He also stated his girlfriend had a restraining order against him. I informed the airport authority of these statements, and he was unable to receive a SIDA badge. As a result, he could not solo an aircraft at the field.

 

[U_of_I_Tweak]

You're right on both counts. We do however have regulations for students acting as pic or being pic with others on board. Do we not?

For the sake of argument, go up to the faa and tell them that you're a ppl and you take people up and let them fly. Tell me what you think they might say about that. I don't think the faa will like a ppl playing instructor.

With my students, there isn't a spirit of the law and letter of the law argumrnt. It's a pure letter of the law attitude. If the regs says you can't do it, you can't do it. No matter what seat you sit in. When they get their certificate, then they can decide how to bend the regs as they see fit.

Besides, this isn't an argument about what seat the student sat in. It's about argument of following rules and not putting yourself in a dangerous or illegal situation. Or putting yourself in ad situation that gives the impression that you could have possibly done something wrong.



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While growing up my non CFI dad let me handle the controls in various phases of flight - long before I had any training. I even flew left seat with him once. Egads!

So long as there is a certified pilot in one of the front two seats (assuming a plane with dual controls) then it doesn't matter who is actually flying there plane at a given moment. The licensed pilot retains PIC authority and responsibility and everything is legal.

Unless he was intentionally doing something he believed to be illegal, I don't have any issue with the situation you describe

If you can't do something smart, do something right

 

[ahsmatt7]

While growing up my non CFI dad let me handle the controls in various phases of flight - long before I had any training. I even flew left seat with him once. Egads!

So long as there is a certified pilot in one of the front two seats (assuming a plane with dual controls) then it doesn't matter who is actually flying there plane at a given moment. The licensed pilot retains PIC authority and responsibility and everything is legal.

Unless he was intentionally doing something he believed to be illegal, I don't have any issue with the situation you describe

If you can't do something smart, do something right

Thanks for clearing my misunderstanding. After hearing the law on the subject, I may have acted out of haste. However, given the full extent of the circumstances, it was for the best.

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