Hats at 'Merican?

You're confusing the "looking professional" with the "being professional".

Both are important, and they can still be mutually exclusive. IMO, as pilots for an airline, we should be looking to hit both marks on point.

To your comment on weight, personally, to me, an overweight (vs height) individual "looks unprofessional" regardless of what clothes they wear. Lacking self control is not a professional trait IMO.

Agreed. And all I'm saying is that (in my humble opinion), the professional look comes in many varieties.

I think the double breasted coat looks great, as does the single breasted one...both classic, fine looks for an airline pilot.

I think a hat looks good too, but is somewhat impractical due to the general custom of not wearing hats indoors and not on a flightline, so the hat/ no hat thing to me in terms of how I visualize a professional look of an airline pilot I see, goes either way in that regard. If it's required, wear it. If it's optional, then your choice.

Leather jacket is still aviation related and something I still equate to an aviator (just speaking me personally, feelings obviously vary). The only difference to me is it's obviously "less formal" of a presentation than a blazer coat. That's where my contention comes that it would appear that the culture of the particular flight department would come into play in that regard. Delta has a more formal culture, and that's great.....they do it well, leather jacket for them does not fit into that mold. SWA has a more relaxed culture, which is also great for them and what they're seeking, and they do that well also, and leather jacket fits more into their mold. Those seem to be the bookends of the deal, so how other operations that fit into that which allow either/or come into play, I'm not as familiar admittedly.

Guess what I'm saying is that I can see some merit on both sides of the argument.

Just no short sleeve with tie! :D
 
You're confusing the "looking professional" with the "being professional".

Both are important, and they can still be mutually exclusive. IMO, as pilots for an airline, we should be looking to hit both marks on point.

To your comment on weight, personally, to me, an overweight (vs height) individual "looks unprofessional" regardless of what clothes they wear. Lacking self control is not a professional trait IMO.

Neither is being an asshat toward people you don't even know.

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You're confusing the "looking professional" with the "being professional".

Both are important, and they can still be mutually exclusive. IMO, as pilots for an airline, we should be looking to hit both marks on point.

To your comment on weight, personally, to me, an overweight (vs height) individual "looks unprofessional" regardless of what clothes they wear. Lacking self control is not a professional trait IMO.

Hey hey HEY...

To be fair, I know several great husky pilots

 
What about a suit jacket is inherently "professional", anyway? What about a suit jacket is required to sit in an airliner cockpit?

It is all a subjective choice.
 
and look like an idiot wearing a puffy jacket with a random blank Velcro patch. Fits in well at Waffle House I guess.

I'm not a fan of the leather jacket primarily because I've always hated that style. Looks cool if you're about to hop into a B-29 and bomb a Pacific island, but you're not.

And when there's a group of pilots standing around in leather jackets, I really want to start snapping my fingers, walk up and shout, "Hey yo, JETZ, you want to rumble at the California Pizza Kitchen in the food court? CAMAAAN!"
 
What about a suit jacket is inherently "professional", anyway? What about a suit jacket is required to sit in an airliner cockpit?

It is all a subjective choice.

BECAUSE WE SAID IT IS!

:)

(Welcome to the civilian world)
 
I'm not a fan of the leather jacket primarily because I've always hated that style. Looks cool if you're about to hop into a B-29 and bomb a Pacific island, but you're not.

And when there's a group of pilots standing around in leather jackets, I really want to start snapping my fingers, walk up and shout, "Hey yo, JETZ, you want to rumble at the California Pizza Kitchen in the food court? CAMAAAN!"
There is so much about our culture that is begging to be made into some sort of b or c movie. Of course only pilots would get the jokes or laugh so the budget would probably have to be a d movie... Or maybe just filmed on a phone.
 
Sometimes I miss freight, @TallWeeds

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And when there's a group of pilots standing around in leather jackets, I really want to start snapping my fingers, walk up and shout, "Hey yo, JETZ, you want to rumble at the California Pizza Kitchen in the food court? CAMAAAN!"

Is that a grease reference?

Come on shorts, tube socks, and running shoes don't fly in Barcelona? :)

...so they can go out eat some McDonald's and head to an Irish pub (Irish pubs are the worst places on the planet).
 
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...so they can go out eat some McDonald's and head to an Irish pub (Irish pubs are the worst places on the planet).

While Irish pubs have their time and place, I agree. Why is it that crews want to go to an Irish on every layover in every city in the world?
 
The aa leather jacket was especially ugly. The worst part was the cloth wristband.

It did look hideous.

I don't mind cloth wristbands and waistbands -- that's what the original A-2 and G-1 flight jackets had. It was the cafe racer collar that made the AA jacket look particularly terrible.
 
It did look hideous.

I don't mind cloth wristbands and waistbands -- that's what the original A-2 and G-1 flight jackets had. It was the cafe racer collar that made the AA jacket look particularly terrible.
And the Velcro name tag that had title rank on it.

While Irish pubs have their time and place, I agree. Why is it that crews want to go to an Irish on every layover in every city in the world?
Nothing good about an Irish pub, they are dark and dirty.
 
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