Hanging out with the FAs

Do you hang out with the flight attendants on overnights?

  • Frequently

    Votes: 12 12.6%

  • Never

    Votes: 26 27.4%

  • Sometimes, it depends

    Votes: 57 60.0%
  • Total voters
    95
Screaming_Emu said:
Ah, the Pence approach.
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Yakob said:
Admittedly, I have heard compelling (although general rather than airline industry-specific) arguments that it is imprudent to socialize with coworkers outside of work.

But I do find it weird that there's this fixation with false accusations (of sexual assault/harrassment, I'm assuming) when it comes to hanging out with F/As specifically. Do you avoid hanging out with other pilots as well for this reason? Nowadays there are plenty of male FAs as well as a good number of female pilots so it seems like this could be an issue with pilots as well, to say nothing of same-sex sexual harassment accusations. Honestly, if you're worried about hanging out with FAs, it seems like you should also be worried about being paired with an opposite-gender FO since you'll be locked in the flight deck with them...

Especially in the case of that APC poster I quoted who avoids being in elevators with women or sitting next to women on public transit- surely sharing a flight deck with a woman FO would be a much greater concern, but honestly if you're that worried you might as well never leave home.



That's pretty understandable, I have to admit.
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As I wrote on the previous page, yes I avoid both FAs and FOs. That falls under the whole "locked in a tube with you for 6-8 hrs and 10-12 hrs duty, why would I then want to see ya'lls again later today?"

Even as an engineer in the corporate world, we'd come into the office, do our job and go home. The one thing we tried to do was a Friday lunch or Friday after work, happy hour type thing (I don't drink, but I'd hang out anyway). That's once/week. So I don't see why it's expected for airline crews to be hanging out every time we go fly a trip. I do the job and I go to the hotel, and then do my own thing. As mentioned, I'll take care of a crew member when needed (see previous story of giving a FA some dinner money when she forgot her purse on the plane).

Not really a Pence approach but given the big case at our Co that made the news, along with the MeToo movement of accusations without proof, and trial by social media, I really have no interest in even being in a situation like that could create trouble. I'm not paranoid that I won't share an elevator with someone. But once we check into the hotel and get our keys, I'll take the elevator, get off my floor, and say "thanks guys, cya at the van time tomorrow!"
 
Be an adult, don’t be creepy, don’t drink to excess, know when to remove yourself from a bad situation, remind crew members of the same if someone gets out of hand if necessary. It’s not that hard, and I’ve had some good times socializing with crews that I’ve enjoyed the company of.

And sometimes I just wanna do my thing.
 
I used to hang out with FAs all the time but this #MeToo think has just gotten out of control. I used to be able to knock on my coworkers hotel room door at 2am after having some beverages with my copilot to ask if m’lady would like to court with no ill feelings. But now it’s all lawyers and “you better bring your union rep.”

Sure we lost a lot in bankruptcy, but the ability to stare at stewardesses unimpeded is really the greatest loss of all. Next thing you tell me we won’t be able to have a nice squeeze of the toosh in the crew bus. Thanks 3rd way (and for that matter 1st and 2nd) wave feminism. You can take my pension, you can take my crew meals, but you can never take my freedom to harass my crew with sexually suggestive remarks and actions.

If you have any objections with what I have said, please tell it to my 4th ex wife. She takes all my money anyway (probably because of the fake news sexual harassment settlement).
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
As I wrote on the previous page, yes I avoid both FAs and FOs. That falls under the whole "locked in a tube with you for 6-8 hrs and 10-12 hrs duty, why would I then want to see ya'lls again later today?"

Even as an engineer in the corporate world, we'd come into the office, do our job and go home. The one thing we tried to do was a Friday lunch or Friday after work, happy hour type thing (I don't drink, but I'd hang out anyway). That's once/week. So I don't see why it's expected for airline crews to be hanging out every time we go fly a trip. I do the job and I go to the hotel, and then do my own thing. As mentioned, I'll take care of a crew member when needed (see previous story of giving a FA some dinner money when she forgot her purse on the plane).

Not really a Pence approach but given the big case at our Co that made the news, along with the MeToo movement of accusations without proof, and trial by social media, I really have no interest in even being in a situation like that could create trouble. I'm not paranoid that I won't share an elevator with someone. But once we check into the hotel and get our keys, I'll take the elevator, get off my floor, and say "thanks guys, cya at the van time tomorrow!"
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Maybe it was just a different generation, long time ago. Not a pilot, of course, but never had a job, over decades, where coworkers didn’t socialize. I needn’t worry about it now (retired and spend time with dogs and wildlife) but I enjoyed a LOT of meals, drinks and good times with men and women off the clock at the end of horrible days (and even decent ones) in the office. We were married and single, young and old, gay and straight, and a couple of us even dated for a while without recrimination or accusation, and managed to remain effective on the job and friends long after. Maybe it was just the different work, although I somehow doubt that. We laughed and cried together, drank soda or spirits, carried one another’s triumph or tragedy ... our spouses and children shared cookouts and sunny days around swimming pools with us as integral parts of our lives, or dinners out. They watched us cry together sometimes, and share a connection they could not, too, but we went home and loved those who chose us in all the ways we could. We knew death in our families, and divorce. Not one of us was perfect but we made things work, locked in a room pretty much 8 (and sometimes 16) hours a day.

I don’t get the challenge but certainly believe each of us should do what is right and best for our situation in life. I’m just glad, I guess, for the extra time spent with good men and women, on the job and off That made a difference to me (and many others). YMMV, as it should.
 
I used to hang with the CH's(FA's) all the time at my last gig. We were like family there though. I'm still good friends many of them and talk with them often. We also weren't more that 70 crewmembers total. So everyone knew everyone.

I don't have a CH(FA) at my current gig. We're just one plane. Me, the other guy/gal (when I find one), and the maintenance tech. The maintenance tech and I still hit happy hour every so often.
 
At Skyweezy it seemed to be fairly normal for the crew to get out and have an adult beverage on the rare longer overnight. Even squeeze one in when it was a short overnight if everyone was getting along. Which to be honest was nearly every flight. Sometimes, I wish I could have stayed at the weezy because that place brought back my love for aviation. After all the drama at XOJET it was super nice to fly with a lot of different crews and get along with everyone. "Oh wow. I wasn't the problem." Plus management treated us like professionals as well.

At the Eskimo I was puzzled by captains who didn't want to hang out with the FA's. Pretty much a bunch of slam clickers or guys who would ditch the FA's in a row when I first started. We have a kind of sad culture of mistrust. I have had a few fun overnights with cool people who have social skills but its few and far between. I don't mind a lot, since it saves money for Whistler DH park trips. No bigs.
 
I don’t mind, I just don’t want to be obligated to a specific time or be expected to talk about work when I just got done.

I think a lot of people closely parallel their personal and professional lives and it’s one in the same. I like my job, but when the uniform is off, I have other interests. I’d much rather talk to you about some hole-in-the-wall ramen shop you found in Philadelphia than “Bro, you hear anything from the captain rep about contract talks bro? See, bro, what we need to do bro is what we had at Republic, bro”
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
Is “my dime” what the kids are calling it these days?

At the regional used to hang out with them. I probably wouldn’t now.

On the Corp. side- if we hire a contract FA for a trip, then yes because it’s more of a “crew” trip.
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Ahhh... "On my dime"?? Kids these days??

Think about that from a financial perspective for about 0.05 seconds and it should become QUITE clear this expression is not some millennial contrivance.

This expression has been around since... well, since something of value to at least two people could be purchased for a dime.


:) :)
 
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Doug Masters said:
I used to hang out with FAs all the time but this #MeToo think has just gotten out of control. I used to be able to knock on my coworkers hotel room door at 2am after having some beverages with my copilot to ask if m’lady would like to court with no ill feelings. But now it’s all lawyers and “you better bring your union rep.”

Sure we lost a lot in bankruptcy, but the ability to stare at stewardesses unimpeded is really the greatest loss of all. Next thing you tell me we won’t be able to have a nice squeeze of the toosh in the crew bus. Thanks 3rd way (and for that matter 1st and 2nd) wave feminism. You can take my pension, you can take my crew meals, but you can never take my freedom to harass my crew with sexually suggestive remarks and actions.

If you have any objections with what I have said, please tell it to my 4th ex wife. She takes all my money anyway (probably because of the fake news sexual harassment settlement).
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Jimbo Real Good Pilot, that you?

Seriously. My time is limited at best. If I do have a few spare moments, few, if any, share my eclectic taste in the local graphic novel establishment or train watching. My sole goal at the end of the day is hot food, a hot shower to remove the airplane stink, and 9 hours solid in the cot.
 
We’d hang out all the time at Virgin America.
Now that we’ve been Alaska-fied it’s very rare, go figure:
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I didn’t think the “good old days” would be over this soon in my career...
 
Been 121'n for all of about 15 months now. Had an entire crew go out together exactly once. I have done the "I'm comin' down for a beer thing first one is on me" once or twice with mixed results. At fifty mumble mumble years old, with most of our crews, I'm afraid I'd come off as the creepy old guy so I don't bother. LOL
 
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